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So there’s something I need to get off my chest, and if I post it on my LinkedIn it would be career suicide at my level.

In a company, the largest line item by far is usually payroll. I have been at a number of companies that are trying to cut costs and don’t care if you come up with the correct amount via other OpEx categories, they want headcount reduced because “it’s so much”.

So along comes the promise of a computer bot that understands the normal person and also:

  • Does not require sick/vacation time
  • Does not take FMLA
  • Does not want a bonus/profit sharing/equity
  • Don’t have to pay unemployment taxes, Medicare or SSI
  • Does not require them to spend money on health insurance
  • Will not form a union
  • Wont ever file a lawsuit for any number of reasons
  • Will work 24/7

And this right there is the exact reason so many CEOs are salivating at the idea of AI. Not for worker efficiency, not for any number of “positive” benefits they may taut, but they finally have a glimpse of the chance to rid themselves of one of the largest headaches that they perceive in a company.

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

It's funny because executives and managers are more similar to target for replacement if all you have is a bot that parrots back what it heard and can't think for itself.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Well, current High-level Management Culture is very short-termist and mainly anchored on Priviledged Upbringing, Salesmanship and People Skills (networking, spinning good stories, growing up in the right families and so on) rather than Competence in Strategy or Analytical ability.

As it so happens, the upsides of AI are of the immediate and obvious variety - basically as you listed - and pretty similar to those of outsourcing (but on the shorter term AI is actually cheaper). Meanwhile the downsides are mainly longer term costs and risks, and/or derived from complex or systemic characteristics of AI, for example:

  • LLMs have a flat profile in the gravity of the consequences of its errors: basically they are just as likely to make errors with serious consequences (say, advise somebody who expressed suicidal thought to "kill yourself") as they are to make errors with minor consequences, whilst even untrained humans have some awareness of consequences and thus have a lower probability of doing higher consequence errors. This means that over the medium and long term AI has a worse risk profile than even untrained people and is thus more likely to do things which bankrupt companies and kill people.
  • LLMs don't learn, at all. You can explain it all you want but even if that helps, it only helps as far as their input window contains that explanation since that stuff doesn't actually feed back into the model so doesn't get persisted. Most people do learn, and once they learn they seldom go back. So if one position is occupied by a Junior Something and another is "occupied" by an LLM, in 2 years time the former will have become a lot more productive and capable whilst the latter will be no better than 2 years before (possibly worse: see below).
  • If you're running AI hosted by a 3rd party, you've now become dependent on that 3rd party, with all the associated future risks that it entails, especially for companies which have far less money and thus legal power than said 3rd party. The most obvious is that what's "cheaper than hiring" today will not be so tommorrow once that 3rd party has locked your company in.
  • More generally, most AI gets trained from materials which were gathered from public contributions and those are getting worse, both because people are now less likely to end up in those places and ending up giving their own contributions and because "contributions" done by AI or with AI generated text claiming to be from people are increasing in those places and, as it has been already been provide in actual scientific studies, the quality of AI goes does the more AI-produced content is used in the training of a new AI, so mid and long term as the fraction of training materials which are pure human-created falls, AIs will get worse, not better (at best, stop altogether improving as no new models are trained), which for companies replacing human labour with AI means that the quality of the work done for them will never improve.
  • Then there's the even more broad and systemic problem which also happens with outsourcing: if nobody employs people today for their Junior positions, tomorrow there will be no Seniors.

All this to say, that since the "qualities" of present day upper management are seldom in areas like Strategy and Risk Analysis whilst the problems of AI are mainly complex, long-term and/or systemic whilst its upsides are mainly of the highly visible and immediate kind (thus easy to stop and appealing for Salesmen and Tactician types), it totally makes sense that so many CEOs are going into AI.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

Typically, wages are the largest expense of most any business. CEO's still get hugely embarrassing monetary bonuses, no matter what they do or don't do. Getting rid of the biggest expense (humans) would shoot their bonuses into the stratosphere. Pretty soon all CEO's will own their own spaceships, not just the current billionaire spaceship owners.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 10 points 12 hours ago

LLMs are only AI as Accelerators and Amplifiers of Ignorance and Incompetence, with vanishingly scarce examples of Iteration and Insight.

The Peter Principle helps illuminate why many in management consider LLM infected tools as preferable subordinates.

[–] groucho@retrolemmy.com 11 points 16 hours ago

It's flashy, does just enough to look impressive, and a lot of people throw money at it. Just like them.

[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 100 points 1 day ago (3 children)

As usual selfishness and sociopathy will cause incredible destruction...

I can guarantee not one of these assholes salivating over the prospect of eliminating all employees is even considering what happens when only ~5-10% of the population has any form of employment to pay for anything. They only care about how to pillage their own personal kingdoms.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It was the same already with Outsourcing. Same with Nature.

I suspect this is very much a Tragedy Of The Commons situation: no single one of the people overexploiting the system will by themselves destroy it and even those who are aware that such behaviour will end up screwing everybody in the Future they either think somebody else will make up for it or that when the time comes they themselves, as individuals, will be alright and screw everybody else for being suckers.

Distributed responsability, Sociopathic levels of "I'm alright Jack", people just convincing themselves that it's not happenning basically because it's their job to not believe it and plenty of those aware of all this being forced to do the same as the rest because if they don't they'll be outcompeted by the ones doing it and go bankrupt.

Tragedy Of The Commons situations are maybe the best reason for some kind of Regulator Authority overseeing things which stops individual actions that in aggregated destroy the commons, and here we are at peak Neoliberalism whose main policy push is "no regulation".

So this thing will only stop when there's a systemic collaps by which point we'll in the ruins of it all, far behind than we were when all this started.

[–] starchylemming@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

if you play the thought of absolute ruthlessness to the end, you know exactly what they would do to the now useless excess population.

[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 15 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh 100000%, you can even see it in the language of Reich wingers in the US. If you're unemployed/useless then die, you don't deserve assistance. I have no doubt in my mind the Musks and Bezos of the world have absolutely no issues whatsoever with letting people starve to death.

I meant more that when no one has money then who is buying their products? Even business to business enterprise eventually has a customer that is selling to the general population. If we have no money then how do they get money?

[–] dis_da_mor@anarchist.nexus 4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

even if we're broke we'll still have time, so we can be slaves for whoever's the most powerful

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

I mean, have you seen some of the robot demos nowadays? They will 100% sit in their bunkers while their AI terminators get rid of the undesirables. Who needs profits when you control all the resources and have robot slaves? It’s a post scarcity future but only for the families of the elite. Everyone else gets to be dead

[–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think you understand their end game here

[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

What do you think it is?

Assuming it's the evil kill everyone concept: Most people aren't evil for the sake of evil, but their greed has evil affects. I think they're all self interested greedy assholes that don't particularly intend on killing everyone, but they sure will be the cause of a lot of suffering in the wake of their greed.

Like I don't think the CEO of Starbucks or whatever wants everyone to die, but I do think that if possible they'd fire every single last human working for Starbucks in any capacity, other than themselves, in order to make as much money as humanly possible if AI and robotics could do the work needed.

[–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

They're all real into Karl Schmitt you are still understanding money as money at some point money isn't money

[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Karl Schmit

Searching....

"In 1933, Schmitt joined the Nazi Party and used his legal and political theories to provide ideological justification for the regime."

Ahh... Makes sense lol

I didn't see anything when quickly glancing over his wiki about his thoughts on what money is though. He would definitely be a inspiration for the Republicans "unitary executive theory" that they're pushing for sure...

[–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

No the money thing isn't him money is just points its tracking who gets to make decisions about what is made the shape of

I'm so done trying g to explain this to libs whose feelings depend strongly on not understanding it

[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Except you literally didn't try to explain it at all, but that's fine.

[–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah I'm done you didn't even read his main shit

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social 60 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A combo of extremely short-term gains and zero long-term awareness. That's it. That's all.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 1 day ago

One could make the argument that short term gains protect against future downturns, but yes you are exactly correct it's not any deeper than that.

The job of being a CEO does not even involve an understanding of the product beyond an ability to connect it to future stock speculation.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 16 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Text prompts are entirely how they interacted with others before AI

The response is immediate

The llm makes you feel good about asking it to do stuff, real humans are getting difficult tasks to do and so there is sort of a bad feeling associated with using them.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 5 points 15 hours ago

The CEO at my previous job laid off almost everyone. They were thinking of re-hiring people, but he didn't want to rehire me because I "ask too many questions about requirements". Like, I made him feel bad by asking him to actually flesh out his brain-leavings. He loves AI.

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 20 points 21 hours ago

CEOs get paid an exorbitant amount of cash, so naturally they assume that their work is valuable and that they must be very intelligent because surely only highly-intelligent people can produce such highly-valued output.

Then along comes a machine that can do the two things that CEOs believe represent the height of intelligence: talk at length about random bullshit, and make vibes-based decisions. Of course CEOs are going to buy into the hype and assume this technology is genuinely intelligent, it's very good at CEO things and CEOs are very smart! From there it takes very little effort to convince them that this is the technology of the future and that soon it will 'transform' the workplace, replace workers, etc

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 16 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

They're stupid and selfish. We are ruled by idiots.

A lot of management don't really understand.. anything. They don't understand how real work happens. They're removed from that world. They just vibe and bullshit.

Ed Zitron has written extensively about business idiots.

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 4 points 16 hours ago

Angela Colier also did a pretty damning video about how LLMs are so good at blowing smoke up people's asses that stupid CEOs think they're pushing the forefront of physics because their digital parrots are telling them how brilliant their ideas are.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think it’s shallower than that.

Business Idiots

[–] StillAlive@piefed.world 9 points 23 hours ago

Hell yeah Ed Zitron

[–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 4 points 22 hours ago

When I hear someone went to college I assume three figure IQ when I hear MBA I assume all to the right of the decimal

[–] dumnezero@piefed.social 20 points 23 hours ago

fully automated luxury space capitalism

[–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Put another way, there's over a trillion in capex on the table. What trillion dollar value could it provide to just break even?

Eliminating tons of jobs. But liability laws are holding a lot of implementation back - which is a big reason AI companies are getting so politically involved

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Don't forget to add, "AI is sycophantic." The Alien Invasion curries favor by constantly telling the CEO how right and intelligent he is, while it's picking his pockets and destroying his business.

Not to mention that the sycophantic “personality type” that chatbots display appeals to the egos of CEOs and other executive types - “Finally, my genius is being properly recognized and I am being shown the appropriate the deference I deserve”

[–] shweddy@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

Cuz theyre trying to get everyone else to love it so they can control everything

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago

Why do people with MBAs whose entire training is on how to network follow the trend unthinkingly?

[–] HorikBrun@kbin.earth 8 points 1 day ago

The line item for Payroll is often called "burden," if that tells you how they think.

Yes to all of this, but I think you're giving them too much credit. There's a more compelling reason that is causing this behavior cycle among executives. Like a school of fish, CEOs swim in the direction and speed they see other CEOs swimming without giving a second thought to why they're following along. There's safety staying with the group. They're going in circles because all the other CEOs are doing the same thing and they fear being left behind, regardless of whether it truly makes any business sense. There's no real thought behind it. "Big tech is doing this, and therefore so should we."

[–] VanRayInd@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

It's "ethical" slavery, why wouldn't they like it?

[–] volore@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

to add to the other excellent theories here: Most if not all flagship AI right now is extremely sycophantic. Not only is it a magic black box that gives correct-sounding answers and never needs to sleep, eat or unionize; it also makes you, the user, feel ✨ s p e c i a l ✨. and wouldn't you know it, CEOs fucking love being made to feel like they're the smartest man in the room, even when (sometimes especially when) they are in fact the biggest moron to suck oxygen in a five mile radius. LLMs are genuinely phenomenal at making your unhinged, disconnected-from-reality half-baked ideas not only sound good, but then they also convince you you're the next Einstein for thinking of them.

Yeah, gee, I wonder why CEOs love AI so much.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 1 points 19 hours ago

It allows them to fantasize about all the benefits of slavery without the pesky downsides.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 2 points 23 hours ago

For the saner ones, it's an excuse to layoff workers after over-hiring. AFAICT there are not AI systems that completely replace a human bean.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 20 hours ago

Yep combination of the potential profits and the potential to massively devalue the power of laborers.

[–] bazinga@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 23 hours ago

I can only tell for CFOs as I am in strategy consulting. It is a mixture of hype and showing to shareholders that they do something to improve, a couple of years back this was robotic process automation, then metaverse and blockchain, then process mining. Now it is AI and in 2-5 years it is going to be something else. These trends pop up and become irrelevant again, it is only about showing off, being trendy, showing action, the actual savings are just superficial arguments so that the employees can do more "value add work" instead, whatever that is. You need to also consider that CxOs are usually only a limited time in their position and they want to show that they are exciting and new.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

It's kind of stupid really, who'll need a CEO or even a manager when you have AI just doing all the work? They will not be relevant if their wet dream comes through.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

They hate employees

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

CEOs have a fiduciary duty to act in the best interests of shareholders. That's literally it. If "Metaverse" or "AI" makes line go up, they are legally obligated to talk about it.

The actual technology or product has nothing to do with the job of being a CEO the same way Mattel's accounting department doesn't need to understand where Skipper fits in the Barbie family tree.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And for the private companies?

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

For private companies they can do whatever the ceo/owners believe will make money.

At the C-suite level there are a lot of people who are misinformed about AI because of media reporting and a couple positive interactions. Because private or not their circle includes the ones pushing AI. More work done, less effort sounds great if you haven't yet realized consequences of work quality dropping much less the longer-term loss of a younger generation that never gets trained or makes money to buy product.

There is already a severe economic issue wherein products simply aren't made for the bottom 70-90% of the population. A majority of buying/selling has been over decades focusing to an upper range of earners. Its why the average new car is now nearly 50K while median wage is 62k/y.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 1 points 1 day ago

Matell is a public company but if it were taken private the accountants (or CEO) would still not require a deep knowledge of Barbie family relationships.

[–] The2b@lemmy.vg 1 points 23 hours ago

In practoce though, that's not how fidiciary duty works. That's really just an excuse. As long as there is any reason any business decision has any reasonable argument that it might help the company, it is legal as far as fidiciary duty is concerned. And, given anything could hypothetically build beneficial consumer sentiment, it's about as toothless as perjury charges.

[–] red_tomato@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Because the shareholders expect CEOs to like AI