Just in case as it’s formatted a bit weirdly
X-Axis: Homework scores
Y-Axis: Exam scores
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Just in case as it’s formatted a bit weirdly
X-Axis: Homework scores
Y-Axis: Exam scores
That explain SO MUCH (meaning, the entire thing).
The implication being that if you use AI to do your homework and score highly on it, when it comes time to take the exam you'll do very badly. If you don't use AI to do your homework, your exam scores will more or less match your homework scores.
Still, the shapes of the curves are weird. I guess it suggests that students scoring around 100 on their homework are probably not relying on AI overly much, so their exam scores are still decently high. But, every student who has a higher homework score is relying on AI and, as a result, their exams suffer?
What really sucks about this is that I don't think students have the self-discipline to not use AI. I'm old enough now to know that cutting corners to get good grades is dumb if it means I'm not learning. But, I wasn't smart enough to know that back then. I absolutely would have cut corners to get those good grades and get through the homework more quickly. My parents wouldn't have approved, but they weren't technologically sophisticated enough to stop me.
I'm sorry, but WTF is this chart without clear axes?

This is from the paper, and clearer to me.
Thank you. Spent entirely way too long figuring out WTF those axis were supposed to be.
Thank you.
Meanwhile on Lemmy: 3 downvotes.
I’m getting too old for this
Side tangent, but Lemmy is the worst with sources.
If I were admin, I’d make all users, new and extant, take an 8-minute course on clicking through reposts to finding original sources before they are allowed to submit posts.
That’s my rant.
I don’t think you can prevent this from being posted, though I agree that resource should be available. It’s just that our attention spans have evaporated, everything must be instant and with LLMs it’s only accelerating.
This is about having a brief second of critical thinking and then not upvote or downvote the low effort post and upvote the first critical thinking comment.
Another thing on Lemmy is that we have half a dozen “users” who don’t care about the content, they just automatically post high engagement content from other platforms and post it here (without declaring themselves as a bot account too). And the mindless scrollers (at least 60-70%) going by this post, just take the bait.
Not having karma didn’t help much in hindsight.
EDIT: nevermind, I misread. I thought you were complaining about the one you posted... However, the image used by op is still a fairly obvious graph.
Edit 2: the axis of the graph posted by op are also clearly defined, vertical is exam scores, horizontal is homework. The definition shows above and below the graph itself.
It seems fairly obvious to me. It shows the clear mismatch between homework scores and test scores of AI users, where higher homework scores using AI correlate to lower test scores, clearly indicating that there is no learning, when compared to non-ai users, where higher homework scores directly translate to higher test scores as well.
Yeah I get it.
Looking at the OP graph again, I get it now, but initially I found the top label to be confusing. I thought it was part of the title, and that the Y axis was unlabeled.
Y label is bold
has the prefix "China*,"
has additional row of text between the label and the diagram.
Not even remotely near Y axis.
X label is regular
doesn't have the prefix "China*,"
but has the suffix ", average without Al=100"
How is it clearly defined again?
Did AI come up with these axes?
This is actually a very good chart to explain outcomes. It shows that there's a positive linear relationship between homework and exam scores for students that don't use ai, and a terrible relationship for students that do use ai
I was taught to always label your axes.
They are labelled. It's just the Y label is next to the title.
Which is the Y label?
"China* average exam score"
Oh god.
Y label is bold
has the prefix "China*,"
has additional row of text between the label and the diagram.
X label is regular
doesn't have the prefix "China*,"
but has the suffix ", average without Al=100"
Complete disaster of a diagram.
Was it made by AI, perchance?
In the paper, Figure A11. Homework and Exam Score is well labeled and presented.
You should blame The Economist
Dafuq is this graph? No labeling and arbitrary numbers. Was this graphic made by ai?
Wouldn't a bar graph be better for this sort of data? The line keeps suggesting change over time to me and it's making the whole thing hard to read, even with OP's note.
Disagree-- line graphs are good for most continuous x axes, not just time. There's no reason to group the homework scores but not the exam scores, as most usages of a bar graph here would, or to use a bar graoh with 1 bar per possible hw score (which is basically just a line chart anyways).
The issue with the chart is just that the axes aren't labelled well at all. X is hw, Y is exam, and it looks like rather than raw score it's using... score divided by the average score, as a %? So how much better or worse the score is than the average, as a percentage?
It got me confused too at first but once you think about it it makes a lot of sense : the gray line is mostly straight, efforts get rewarded, but the more they use AI in homework, the worst they do on exams, even worst than the worst of the no AI crowd
Funny is that when I saw the graph I immediately thought that most people would be confused.
Cognitive attrition.
Turns out you need to practice doing things. Who knew.
I've seen the term "cognitive surrender" being thrown around for this and I think they're two very nice terms to describe what's happening to our society right now
Looks like millennials / elder Gen z are going to be the most educated generation in history. Older generations were taught when they knew less about the world and education, younger generations are screwed both by the pandemic and now AI.
So Idiocracy was sort of right, only it's not the eugenics "dumb people have more kids" reason they gave, it's just us offloading our thinking to machines.
dumb people have more kids
That factor is valid too.
Hm, this is something that feels quite obvious but its very nice to have some hard data confirming it
Homeworks are useless, school bad, Einstein had bad grades (no he didn't) crowd is very silent right now.
Lemmy is pretty unfriendly to anti-intellectualism, thankfully.
He had a bad grade in French language and literature

6 is the best grade in Switzerland
6 is the best grade in Switzerland
It being the other way around in Germany has to be the origin of the myth.
Anybody “offloading skills” to AI is getting rusty as hell in those skills.
Home work and learning have never been about getting the right answers
Promotion at work also isn't about being the best at your job.
Between social requirements and gaming metrics, it's a wonder we haven't collapsed yet.
You're right, homework was invented as punishment
Using AI to "learn" is like drinking beer to quench your thirst.
Meanwhile in the country where they made this study I saw a cram school signage boasting AI teachers (of I understood correctly)

If you don't think the wealthy are well aware of this, for them , put knowledge behind a paywall... I know I would have probably fallen for the ease of asking instead of researching and learning.
The next generation has lots of hurdles
Damn, Chinese kids who don't use AI are already putting in more than 110%.
Yet another example that "tech bros" are selling snake oil to an unsuspecting customer base.