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[–] spitfire@lemmy.world 3 points 24 minutes ago

We can rebuild after it fails. If it seriously starts replacing people and there’s no regulation against corporations doing it we’re done

[–] babysmokesalot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 29 minutes ago

AI did not take your job. Your economy is shrinking and you have just accepted diminishing returns. The top 10% is on the spreadsheet you are not. You should be worried about getting murdered in a trench for the pdfile class. Just look at all the turd sandwiches around you... the fast talker is not gonna convince me to buy a turd sanwich. With a currency that has been diminished by 50%...well of cource I am gonna be cheap or completely opt the fuck out. We are in hog heaven and dum dum purgatory. The rich stole from you and now we have our hands and only fans. They don't need you but you need to have some self respect. AI makes garbage from the work it stole from us and it only poops out turds and makes the job 100 times harder. Don't internalise the nonsense of capitalism. It is not your fault. It is stupid by design and you, well you are just fine.

[–] eru@mouse.chitanda.moe 5 points 1 hour ago

AI fails

only the proportion of the economy that relies on AI would crash, which represents a sizable portion of the economy but which is controlled by a small numerical population of individuals

so for the majority of people it is fine

[–] AccoSpoot1@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Let it crash.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 16 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

I care about jobs far less than I care about our environment.

AI must fail.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago

I can assure you humanity seems dead set on destroying the environment no matter the means to get there.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

I'd care about the economy if I had a real stake in it. We're all just serfs being used up and thrown away. The medical industry sucks the last bit of wealth anyone is lucky enough to build over their life time.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Stocks are their own entire economy for the rich people at this point. Just don't give gamblers bailouts they don't need and we will be fine.

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Better hope you have zero money sent through or stored in a bank or pension fund and you don't have a mortgage yourself or your landlord doesn't have a mortgage or your employer doesn't have a mortgage or business loan and doesn't use a bank.

The correct response is what Iceland did: government bails out the bank's customers, takes ownership, and actually jails the c-level ~~wankers~~ bankers.

Because like it or not, you're still part of the financial system unless you're currently sat in a self-sufficient earth-ship borrowing some else's WiFi connection.

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't an economy crash good for progressists?

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Assuming you meant progressives, no. Not good for anybody but the wealthy who take the opportunity to buy everything up. Economic trouble also historically makes the populace more susceptible to far-right populist rhetoric.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

And more docile about worker abuse.

[–] warbosstodd@piefed.social 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

The economy won’t crash. Will a large segment of corporations that have either invested heavily or are AI companies take a substantial hit? Yeah.

 

Fucking let em.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

You realize that the United States GDP has already been in decline if you remove AI companies from the equation, right?

[–] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 hours ago

That is all if them.

[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

The economy is already crashing. AI will just make it that much worse. Trump will be the first president in the 21st century to cause a US depression.

[–] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Haquer@lemmy.today 3 points 2 hours ago

I mean we had a Recession under Bush Jr, is that what you were talking about?

Or the global market shocks under Trump 1?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 hours ago

Economy doesn't need any help, i'll crash anyway, we're going to drive it STRAIGHT into the ground.

Even if they're slightly successful, AI will continue take a shit ton of jobs at the very least interns and corporate bound English majors.

[–] schnapsman@feddit.org 35 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine if jobs weren't tied to survival. Like, imagine people got paid for whatever they did. Raise a kid? Government sends you the wage. Community work? Fill out the wage application, describe what you did, wage. Work some job? Wage. Overpaid? Taxed more. Underpaid? Subsidised. Sat on your ass and charged other people rent? Jail.

Then consider what it would mean for ai to take over a bunch of jobs. More money into the pool to pay the wages of creative work, community work, and say UBI. Tech improvements would be celebrated. The economy would be democratised. We'd all benefit.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

These are important criticisms to make about liberalism, the coercive power in of wage labour and private property are powerful tools of capital exactly because that precarity gives us less time, resources, and security to resist even the devaluing of our labour.

I don't know what the usability of this post and the image created here is, though. What you've presented here is still stuck in that commodity mentality. Is tech not celebrated now, when we can so easily cure diseases that we only named two centuries ago, or when people identify with internet culture? What level of democratization could even exist in an economy where the mass production of computer technology still exists when the very design of every computer we have depends on colonial extraction?

I've found it's more difficult to imagine a future worth living in when that imagination is only oriented around escaping reality. There are good outcomes from AI the same way there are bad outcomes, because neither have happened. The world doesnt just end when the economy collapses, and people aren't helpless to resist authoritarianism or capitalism. In the same way, imagining AI as a solution to the problems in the metropole by its capacity to fulfill devalued labour roles takes for granted what is needed to build an AI infrastructure like that, and whether this hope is dependent on the continued subjugation of others. Its a future based on maintaining the present, not improving it.

This isn't to say your comment or the actual post are pro-colonization, but just that we should question how much of our imagination of a positive future is based in the privilege that we experience today. Conversely, are you willing to live in a world where you are more materially insecure if it meant a global shift away from colonialism? Is it still motivating to consider a world where your labour is even more in demand because we no longer extract in a way that facilitates such an abundance of automation even down to your dishwasher and laundry machine?

Liberalism and capitalism depend on an immaterial world to exist as they are oriented around the imperative for infinite growth in a finite world, so it is important to remember that people will readily embrace the privilege this system affords them if that is the only real route to a world where they personally can pursue art instead of other forms of labour. If our liberal system affords us a UBI and socialized housing in exchange for complacency in its global extraction, would you still want it to end?

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

There are good outcomes from AI the same way there are bad outcomes, because neither have happened.

Can't say I'm with you there, though I agree regarding your critiques of liberalism. People are already living near unhealthy levels of noise pollution, already having their water polluted, and already undergoing the stress associated with paying higher electricity bills. And that's just in America, it's far worse for the people in exploited countries who have to extract the raw materials to build the massive data centers.

And that's just the infrastructure side, not touching on the loss of cognitive ability incurred by students who rely on AI or the emotional stunting or even the 'successful' (idk how else to phrase that) suicide-baiting of vulnerable people.

The bad outcomes have happened and are currently happening.

The good outcomes usually involve pattern-recognition AI, like diagnosing cancer early / inventing novel drugs / etc, not LLM's.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Wow, okay so there's some stuff here that probably needs addressing. Just like quick, when I talk about colonialism within the US, I'm referring to stuff like monocrop farming, mining, logging, etc. that was facilitated through the dispossession and genocide of Native Americans and indigenous nations. Though it is certainly relevant to point out that this way of life has negative health impacts on everyone who exists in the world, even those people in the metropole, my concern is more about the fact that this way of life can only exist through the violence and extraction I mention above. Disease, poverty, and pollution are not exclusively linked to capitalism and liberalism, even if they exist more abundantly in the world as a result of it, but that specific relationality of settler-colonialism, indigenous peoples, and commodified land is.

Also, I don't know if you realize the ableism you seem to subscribe to here. "Loss of cognitive ability," in reference to students' use of AI is, quite frankly, harmful. Whether you meant this in a physical way, as in it causes brain damage, or a pedagogical way, as in they are not learning the skills we measure cognitive ability with, this creates a much more powerful and destructive effect from AI that also happens to reproduce the devaluing of people who do not conform to hegemonic ideas of ability. Even if AI was causing literal brain damage to young people, that doesn't mean they're less valuable as people or more of a burden on society, though if it was, certainly that'd be something to address. Except, it isn't doing that, there are just effects on skillbuilding needs since we were already doing that poorly due to the industrious teaching pedagogies schooling in settler-colonial countries have been designed around. It isn't a threat to that ability anymore than the internet, television, or print was. The ease of access to information as well as mis- or disinformation introduces new needs for critical thought beyond the usability in employment (it is also a matter of self-defense), but having access to those skills makes these things powerful tools. I've noticed more of a drop due to the COVID-19 Pandemic as the students who went through that period in their life learning these skills in a cobbled-together online curriculum which was really just adapted from preexisting, ineffective teaching methods. There are students with organizational barriers to learning who find they now succeed more easily in institutions that punish deviation from structure by having AI assistance to do something their brain is not able to and the system will not provide for them, for example. To suggest that a technology that benefits a disabled group and harms an abled group is ontologically evil is to argue that harm is only a problem when it is directed at one of these groups; which happens to be the privileged one in this case.

In the same way, the perceived danger of AI for those of us with mental illness discounts the reality that much of therapy is learning to convert your internal thoughts into language, which then helps you better understand those thoughts for yourself as well as in/for others. Since mental healthcare is by no means accessible even with socialized healthcare, most people who need psychotherapy are not able to get enough of it for their needs. There are people who report benefits from this access, and since we obviously cannot guarantee everyone access to this healthcare, it is difficult to argue that certain groups cannot "handle" having some sort of responsive outlet to process those thoughts as language without also infantalizing them. Regardless of the medical efficacy of these AI therapists, or whatever they want to call them, if it helps people, we cannot discard it out of hand. I'm not sure what "emotional stunting" is in reference to here as well, though I'm sure any example of it would still depend on some normative, hegemonic understanding of maturity and growth that is already foundationally problematic as all normative arguments for human action and behaviour is.

So, yes, I think AI as a system is harmful in the same way every single system under liberalism and capitalism is harmful. The ways we build computers, store data, extract minerals and other resources, grow our food and fabric, and even live on the land beneath us are all harmful because they are ultimately subject to a harmful system. It isn't the technologies themselves, but the relations that determine their distribution and use that is harmful; as always. To suggest otherwise is to accept assertions from that harmful system that you may take for granted as the socialization and culture of that system has dominated your understanding of all things. What you've identified is that it can be used very effectively to target vulnerable groups, including children, who were already targeted by this system due to its fundamentally predatory and dehumanizing nature. Except, what you've identified as the problem is that it makes them deviate even further from an idealized construction of the human body and behaviour, not that this is a new vector for preexisting violence.

Again, there are no good or bad outcomes, as the future is only ever imagined, it does not exist. That means that when we imagine the future, we transfer idealized elements of the present into that narrative along with the unchecked internalized values we hold. There is no way of predicting how that socialization has effected your understanding of the world, only the ability to respond once it has.

[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I prefer the left way, but skipping the great depression 2 by heavily giving the profits to the people and not to a bunch of assholes.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Best I can do is bring Big Macs back down to slightly above pre-pandemic pricing when I realize nobody's fucking buying them anymore.

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 110 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Economy crash is less damaging of a totalitarian techno-regime

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 53 points 8 hours ago (7 children)

Yeah, the economy has crashed, what, like 3 times in my life now?

Fuck the economy.

[–] elvith@feddit.org 6 points 5 hours ago

What about an economy crash?

You've already had it.

We've had one, yes. What about second crash?

I don't think he knows about second crashes, Pip.

What about elevenses crashes? Lunch crashes? Afternoon crashes? Dinner crashes? Supper crashes? He knows about them, doesn't he?

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip 33 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Economy has always been an euphemism for the financials of the capitalists

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 hours ago

"Rich People's Yacht Money"

Wednesday’s strong reports on Rich People's Yacht Money were welcome news for the Federal Reserve, whose job it is to keep the U.S. job market healthy and inflation low. The Fed’s job has become more difficult because of the jump in oil prices, which is pushing upward on already high inflation.

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The Dow Jones Industrial Average just crossed 50,000 points for the first time, but that doesn’t mean Rich People's Yacht Money is healthy

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 25 points 6 hours ago

Someone on Lemmy pointed out that you can usually just replace "the economy" with "rich people's yacht money" in most news articles, and I'll be damned if that isn't the truth.

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 5 points 5 hours ago

And economy crash is inevitable anyway because that's just what capitalism does.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

But the computer stuff will be so cheap on the second hand market!

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

People replying to this with "muh enterprise" don't understand that I can still plug in a Supermicro server with the correct power input, spin up Linux, and do whatever the hell I want with my giga ultra 8x NVlink GPU 2X Xeon CPU morbillion dollar server.

Now even though it will be sold for a measly couple thousand dollars after the collapse, it doesn't mean I can't burn through my unemployment savings to have fun lol.

[–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Nvidia and rest of manufacturers will set fire to abandoned data centers before allowing a big second hand market nuking their profits

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 58 minutes ago

They'll want to, but they don't own the data centers and the ones that do have no concept of sacrifice for loyalty. Those parts will be sold.

[–] saltnotsugar@lemmy.world 37 points 10 hours ago

LAN party in the alley when we lose everything!

[–] RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 9 hours ago (7 children)

Sadly no. AI hardware does not relies on the same fundamentals as consumer hardware.

Long story short AI stuff use Float 4 or 8 because accuracy is not a factor. Games or physics simulation use Float 32 or 64.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago

The "GPUs" used in these AI datacentres can't even do graphics anymore. They're now sloppy approximate matrix math machines.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 hours ago

SAS hard drives and server ECC ram incoming!

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[–] qwestjest78@lemmy.ca 20 points 9 hours ago

It needs to fail and it probably will.

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