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They don’t want babies. They want robots.

Well, they want slaves. And they're still figuring out which direction to go

The fortunes of a few matter more than the lives of rest of us, and we'll just watch from the sidelines I guess whilst dying of starvation.. They say social cohesion starts to fall apart when people can't feed their kids, but if they have no kids to feed, I guess it's a win win for the ultra wealthy. They get planet earth to themselves, whilst the rest of us just wither away and die, no societal uprising, no revolution, just distractions, everywhere, all by design, it's kinda genius to be fair.

It must be worse where they are coming from

Birth rate is, as inconvenient a truth that it is, inversely proportional to education and the liberty of women. You'd be hard pressed to give any developed nation that has a high birth rate.

Are you serious?

This shithole country I live in. We have funds to create a gestopo and ice camps here in the US and there's no real support for new parents.

@ $200k a year, it would be more than 5x my current income. I sure hope somebody wants to take care of my soon-to-be kid for about tree fiddy.

You were still relatively close to the gold standard at that point, so housing was still affordable.

Look at median income to 3+ bedroom home values now.

Yes.

You can't let them explore on their own to build independence and confidence without CPS being called on you.

When kids misbehave in public, all the boomers get their panties in a wad. My parents get flustered when the grandkids get loud playing together in a back bedroom.

Getting kids launched well in life, with some chance of adult prosperity, requires thousands and thousands of dollars in private clubs/ competitions/ tutoring/ schools/ etc - the highly competitive nature of the US economy has reached down into elementary aged children at this point. Where I live, people even pay for tutoring to get their children into GT programs.

From a pragmatic point of view?

"In a time of dragons, raise dragon slayers."

Those fighting for a better future now will get old. Thankfully, so will those seemingly-immortal bastards ruining that future.

We need future generations, educated and supported and prepared to take up the mantle.

As Bruce Lee put it: "Do not pray for an easy life. Pray for the strength to overcome a difficult one."

We need to come back around to the idea that we are here for a bigger purpose than to be comfortable and happily wither, as even ~~if~~ when we are victorious, someone needs to maintain the solemn responsibility to keep evil at bay, because it will try again.

We all want our children to be happy and healthy and safe. But we also must prepare them to bear the same responsibility we do. Part of resistance and war against the principalities and powers and forces of darkness in this world, is to make sure righteous ideals live on.

Generally declining birthrates and specifically the disappearance of the middle class are almost inevitable in late-stage capitalism (the stage where outward expansion is complete, so capitalists must turn their gaze inward and increase exploitation at home). Although, let's be clear, everyone except the capitalist loses in this scenario, and it will hurt people who are currently in poverty much harder than it will the middle class who are only beginning to drown.

But there isn't some conspiracy making this happen. It is only the machinery of the system that makes true the statement, "If I don't, someone else will."

I'm sure many of the educated oligarchs know that this is how the system works. It's why they're all building bunkers. It doesn't need a shadowy cabal in a smoky room, though. Profit inventivizes all.

The plan is to pillage the wealth of the local population via insane asset prices and extreme rentierism around essentials such as housing and then when the amounts being returned by the pillaging and exploitation start to slow down due to the impact from decades of lower birthrates because of living in such a dystopia, importing young adults from countries with higher birth rates - i.e. immigrants - and have far-right political forces funded by the very people pillaging the country loudly blame said immigrants for the feeling of life getting worse and even pain that most people feel as consequence of the pillaging of the country.

Certainly this is what I've seen in multiple countries in Europe.

The plan is dead for a long time now. Capitalism only works if the working poor population gets renewed. They lost track of the plot and focused too much on wealth growth. Now we are in the late stage of capitalism. The stage where it no longer works but they'll pretend it does until it collapses under their feet.

That stage might take decades though, most of us won't enjoy what comes next.

The plan is only for very rich and poor people to exist.

Inequality is the primary factor. If people making $150k to $200k can reasonably conclude that having children would be a burden on their future economic prospects (in an already uncertain future), they will decide against it. $50k to $75k is probably more in the "fuck it, we might as well have more sources of potential labor and income and maybe a subsidy or two since we're already at this point", and people making $400k or above have nothing to fear from child expenses.

I think you understand this pretty well. For educated people parenting is a choice. They wait for the right moment in the career, they make sure they will be able to provide their children with everything they may need and that their kids will have optimal conditions for growth and development, they consider their other passions and projects and weight them against having kids.

Uneducated people simply have kids and don't really give it a second thought. You have kids, you feed them some junk food, give them phone to play with and that's it. You're a happy family.