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A place for all those who loathe AI to discuss things, post articles, and ridicule the AI hype. Proud supporter of working people. And proud booer of SXSW 2024.
AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
I think it's such a good case of "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail".
I personally don't mind AI for filler stuff like book titles that you just see the spine of on a shelf. Those kinds of things that just make the world seem more lived in but are very time consuming to put in place. Especially for smaller teams.
But do i trust developers to restrict themselves? No. Not at all. I think it's a can of worms. Better left unopened.
As someone who reads those book spines, I don't even want it there.
Yeah, I love these little ambient texts in games. I don't think they would be too time-consuming to come up with for a game that already has written story content. Use them to contribute to the worldbuilding!
I just started Doom Eternal and the book spines there are hilarious! I don't want that to be generative AI
Why are they grouping women and non-binary together?
There's two types of people in this world: straight, white men and all the others.
The only somewhat understandable thing I can think of GenAI could have a use for in games is shoving an LLM into one to get more dynamic-ish dialogue. Everything else just sounds terrible on paper and IS terrible when executed. I saw a trailer for a fully AI-generated game and it looked like the most shovelware garbage ever.
Even then, it will take minutes for each individual dialogue.
Also npcs will randomly start reciting porn and break all immersion at some point.
LLMs are just truly unreliable ngl.
If they just shoved ChatGPT or some other big LLM into it, probably yeah. For actual good results you'd need to make your own LLM trained specifically to do dialog and not much else. Even then it'd be SLOW AS HELL even with powerful PCs.
By now, genAI is synonymous with making cheap crap and selling it at full price.
Because that's exactly what it's used for. The kinds of AI uses where it's actually useful "as a tool" either literally don't exist or are nearly impossible to find.
AI uses where it’s actually useful “as a tool”
It's used extensively for generating spam and scam material. That's even worse than cheap crap for the average person.
Apex Engine will offer optional AI tools for developers, including game developers. It's under very heavy development so won't really be available for a few years or so.
If these "tools" equate to "vibe coding" then Apex Engine will be useless.
Much more tightly controlled than that, given the audience. It's early days, though, so time will tell.
It's know for two things: letting tech obsessed people with no skill LARP as artists (poorly, due to the lack of actual soul) and tricking old people
Men are more pro ai
Not surprised
Average majority men always vote disproportionately for the bad things. Same with politics and the numbers on who votes for the lunatics.
It's skewed because men are more likely to benefit from the things that are bad for society as a whole but good for some
I suppose they believe they do. But they really don't. Once unsteady tariffs make economy shoulder extra logistics and smaller companies start to struggle to stay afloat... or whatever our variant of those politicians have planned for German economy... It's the average man who's going to see it on their paycheck. Or with prices of the commodities. It's the super rich who are going to cash in on it. And sure, those are all white men. So I can see how people think being a man is a shared commonality. But we really don't have anything in common with the Elon Musks of this world. And in contrast to him we do pay for all the big beautiful bills. And we're impacted by an elevated inflation or consumer price index... So I as a man am definitely on the losing side of it. Along with 99.9% of my fellow males.
I think same applies to making life miserable to our loved ones, or being very egoistical and doing away with a somewhat working society. Or displacing our world with the negative side of AI, going full in on unsustainable business models... That's all to the benefit to a very select few people, but not to us. And it doesn't really enrich my life if I share the gender with someone who is well off.
Remember this is about gen AI, the kind whose only purpose is to replace artists, modelers, voice actors, etc. with slop that the AI stole from other sources and melted into a low quality souless art without paying. In no way could this ever be considered a good thing.
The most positive response listed was for "Dynamic difficulty adjustment" (but still, only 25% has any positive response). On one hand, that sounds okay because it's a mostly invisible change that could smooth out a single player experience. But the more I thought about, I wondered what generative AI would be doing that isn't already possible with normal programming logic.
Even assuming it did work, and was able to turn the balance knobs to make things easier or harder, it would destroy our common understanding of challenges in games. Being skilled enough to defeat Malenia would have no meaning if the fight was constantly rebalancing itself. People already brag about how they defeated Radhan before he was nerfed, now imagine that for every boss, oh, and there's no objective way to know which version of the fight is the "real" one. As with everything genAI related, it turns real expressions of our humanity and turns it into meaningless mush.
Final fantasy 8 did this on the original playstation in 1990-something. No LLM required.
I mean, it's not like it hasn't been implemented in games before. It's literally one of the main features of the Left 4 Dead series.
Just like VR and the Steel Battalion controller, it has its place – just not in every single game ever.
Its practically the only gameplay loop in rimworld
Digital voice is pretty bad. I figured I’d give it shot on something nonfiction but ended up returning the book. Initially it seemed ok. But every sentence had the same exact cadence, inflections, so it resonated more like a repetitive noise or jingle that needed to stop.
I’m trying to conceive of Commander Shepard or Varric from DA2 with digital voice instead of actors at the helm. The Outsider or Dowd. Minsc even, that’s a different type of repetition.
I gave up on a DuoLingo course because they started using AI voices. I was doing the course during the switch and it was jarring. Even I could tell the accents and pronunciation were just wrong half the time.
I'm just starting to dig through all this, but the eye-catching stats right off the bat are not only illuminating, they're in line with a lot of other stats as well as anecdata I've been collecting.
Some dude just the other day was trying to claim there's a "silent majority" of people who are cool with genAI being used in game development, and…well, sorry bro but the facts don't back you up. (Unless you're an old man apparently, the most favorable cohort lol. Even then it's not a majority!)
Wouldn't the "silent majority' also not be taking surveys?
Perhaps, but that means there's no way to gather the evidence! 😂
In other news, the silent majority thinks my blog is the best in the whole world; is also in love with my cat.
Honestly I think the “silent majority” people are literally always the opposite.
I’ve only ever heard that shit used before from anti vaxxers.
Clickbait title, this sounds as if some gender, age or motivations may not think AI as negative.
Yeah, they could have phrased it better, but there is significant variation based on e.g. age groups, with older people being 7 times as likely to feel positive about GenAI in games, than younger ones. (With the caveat that the "7 times" is still only 22%.)
There is still no gender or age that supports AI