Canada

Its not "well intentioned”, the silpery slope is the point. Getting porn sites to essentially self censor by restricting what geographic regions have accesss until one day its the majority of places and suddenly banning porn sites in the remaining hold outs doesnt seem like such a hard sell, and then on to other subjects they dont like.

It's always referred to as age verification, but it's ID verification. It's the introduction of a regime where you can't use the internet without everyone knowing exactly who you are, and without the government being able to track your activity via your ID. Governments around the world are making what must surely be a coordinated effort to end anonymity, and thus privacy, online. In other countries this has gone along with a push to end encryption for phone calls and chat, and a push to outlaw VPNs. Canada's government is embarking on a program that's very hostile to its own population.

I was never excited for Carney (and the Liberals' continuation of power), but I really didn't think they'd anger me as much as they have been*. Yes, I'm happy we don't have PP in power, but at times it's feeling like we may as well have reached the same outcome minus the culture war shit.

I really hope the NDP makes a strong comeback**

Edit (corrections):

*Apparently it was not a bill put forward by Liberal MPs

**The NDP actually supported the first bill of this kind so they're not much help in this situation

The dark web became known as the hideout of internet criminals. Once we're all internet criminals, it will just be the hideout of everyone. Time to drop all these commercial services that we've let take over the internet and go back to being anonymous weirdos talking to other anonymous weirdos on websites run by anonymous weirdos. The web was ironically a nicer place. Also a shittier place, but at the same time a nicer place. This is why we can't have nice things.

It's never about porn or children. It's about control, money and a fear of ones own citizenry.

Nooooo, I thought Canada was very far from this bull shit

Stop that garbage bill that will expose your data to criminals in data breaches.

It is not a slippery slope, it is the intended purpose, with a different implementation.

Anyone with a few braincells working knows that it is all bullshit this crusade against porn "for the kids" .

In the end the objective is just ever more identification, tracking and control of everyone .

It gets even worse when you think of how the improper access could be properly mitigated...

It may be well-intentioned

It may, but it is not.

Well no child I know could’ve ever found porn if an adult had only blocked access....lol. The more forbidden it is, the bigger the thrill/reward of getting it.

When I was a kid, my parents always had big summer parties at our house and there was alcohol all over the place. I could try whatever I wanted (with lots of adults around - if not supervising, at least being nearby). I never cared about alcohol because casual “sampling” was never prohibited so who cares?

My kids (both under 10) have both tried mild alcoholic drinks.

When they get older into their teens, I'm making sure that as long as they are supervised, they can try any legal substance they want.

I don't care if it slows down the legislative process, I am firmly of the opinion that all politicians should be legally required to take a short exam designed by experts on the topic of any legislation they want to vote on (including things like basic understandings of the concept and potential consequences, both positive and negative, of the legislation), and any politician who fails isn't allowed to vote on that legislation.

Politicians shouldn't be allowed to vote on legislation that they demonstrably do not understand.

If they were serious about privacy-preserving age verification, they'd be looking at zero-knowledge proofs. Since ZKP is not on the table, this is really about control and surveillance.

How about instead we ban propaganda and bots?

"Those that trade privacy for security deserve neither."

How about they start addressing the actual problem rather than half-measures from think tanks. If it was truly about children, they should be passing policies from a macro standpoint that encourage people to have a family and kids. Right now, it's economically grim and has been sliding that way for many decades. The rise of fascist and surveillance state policies is only going to make it worse. Say bye-bye to your birthrate and we're right back where we started again with the gov trying to pump the numbers via mass immigration.

What does all this have to do with this bill? The intent may be framed as protecting/preventing kids from adult material, but it's also about making it desirable to have kids because "big brother is watching you/protecting you" (SMH here on how stupid this all is). These legislators are out of touch. We as a society need to address the root of the problem - why do we have a CSAM problem in the first place? It's a horrific thing to have, and to be honest, those that turn to it likely have a mental illness.

As for kids accessing adult material online - why is the government being a nanny state? This is the parent's job.

I have zero confidence that they can keep everyone's data private and safe given how many breaches there are.

Now we deal with this shit even here?

Manwin is based out of Montreal, i.e. Pornhub. I can't see this passing. Canada is quite literally the porn capital of the world, trust me I know I worked for 3 separate porn companies here in Canada. I just don't see it happening.

That's always been the point.

I'm not sure if it is a 'slippery slope'. It sounds more like a fixed plan.

Conspiracy: We just learned a large, organized, and barely secret pedophile ring consisting of high level government officials and business people is/was controlling the American government and probably most large western corporations

Sounds like they actually want everyone back onto the sites that don’t verify ages or content because it will destroy the regulated porn industry entirely.

The only way this would be acceptable is if they built a trustless authenticator. Until then they can fuck the hell off.

It doesn't matter what Canada does. It seems the rest of the world is going this way and we we'll be dragged behind whether we do something or not. I have no idea what is happening the fall of our era?

its not by accident that all the porn verification are happening in multiple countries all at the same time.

If it happens I'll bulk buy flash drives, fill em with useful tools to get around all this... Then just hand them out for free on the street corner next to a highschool.

Fuck age verification, may the people who push it die from a horrible rare cancer.

Time to boost a specific local business and go back (...I mean, not really, I only ever had one and I won it, fun story actually) to buying porn DVDs.