Someone works in HR and is tired of rightly being called out for being a corporate stoog who will always side against the employee...
"Am I out of touch? No, it's the employees who are wrong."
this post was submitted on 09 Jul 2024
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I know it was just a typo but I'm going to start calling people "stoog" from now on
Lmao
DON'T BE A STOOG
If someone spends 95% of their day helping some people, and 5% hurting others, it can be hard for them to separate the two. It's a purposeful, systemic issue driven from the top down in more than just HR. Law enforcement, middle management, even insurance to an extent.
Business leaders need to step up to take responsibility for their teams before anything in HR will change. This is why I like small companies.
Insurance is more than “to some extent”. Insurance companies are there to make a profit and protect as much of their gross revenue as possible (not just US health insurance either). The more they give back to customers as claims, the less they have for market investment, or just straight CEO pay and shareholder dividends. One possible exception for non-profit insurance companies, but they are pretty rare (unless you’re in Florida and the state insurance is all that’s left).
I wasn't talking about the companies themselves, but the employees within them, to an extent.
Why is she listing responsibilities of HR and asking us to feel grateful about them? Why do they act self-important?
The HR industry exists so that an entire subset of the workforce is dedicated to protecting corporate interests from the workforce
They're like "gays for Republicans" who don't get why everyone seems to hate them
What’s funny is that no one wants to be in HR, it’s just that’s where they end up and they have to play it like it was not them settling for what they can get.
Same with insurance
Source: 🥲
They think they’re the most important people in the company while at the same time being the least competent bottom of the barrel
It may be the stilted writing. "Approach to" is as dumb as "as big of a".
For *, you despise HR, those fucking corpo muppets that will attempt to stab you in the back at every opportunity.
Remember rule of acquisition #48:
The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife.
Never forget, HR is your enemy.
Do I have to tip HR?
20% is the going rate, or 10% if you work at a buffet.
"Waiving the notice period" my ass. It's wild to me how this idea that it's required to give notice when you're quitting a job is so ingrained in society.
It's a courtesy you can extend if you want to ease the transition for the company or leave on good terms, but it is absolutely not required.
I think in many countries it’s codified by law.
But hear this: the employer needs to give notice too. Crazy right?
But how would that work? They are gonna put you in jail for not working 2 extra weeks?
You get paid to work, if you fail to do so then you won’t get paid, that’s all there is to it.
Ummm. No. You are contractually obligated to work. You could get sued by not doing what you signed up to do, or in fact doing it negligently. However I don’t think that happens often.
Also, if you fail to fulfill your obligation good luck getting legal employment later.
It may sound weird to people living in certain country but remember the laws protect the employers as well as they do protect employees.
You are contractually obligated to work.
Yeah I guess it depends on the terms of your employment.
I was talking about hourly and salary employees. For those cases, unless you signed something special, you can just stop working tomorrow. The consequence would be not getting paid tomorrow (or any other day). You can try and sue anyone for anything, but chances of it working is very low.
Belgian here. The rules vary depending on the collective agreement the position falls under (hospitality workers' unions negotiate separately from construction workers' for instance).
Most people in most jobs are some variation of salaried (whether on a fixed or indeterminate duration contract) and the contract must be broken either upon natural termination (fixed contract or tryout period), with a predetermined amount of notice time, or due to an egregious fault (multiple warning notices, stealing from the employer, failing to pay the employee, etc.).
Contractors can be hired and fired willy-nilly, but they normally get paid enough for that not to be a concern. I'm not aware of "hourly" contracts in the way North-Americans usually mean them, AFAIK the number of weekly working hours must always be determined in advance. I just checked, in the hospitality industry there is obviously some regulated leeway for scheduling but the yearly average must be exactly 38 hours/week (hence why some Americans always complain that European waiters aren't kissing their boots every 5 seconds). Though there are many different collective agreements, each with enough different rules to keep the employment lawyers well fed.
"Odd jobs" are legal and not subject to those rules, but if you regularly employ someone for "odd jobs" then it is very likely that were they to challenge it in court, the judge would reclassify that as a salary position and rule according to that and even possibly fine the employer for unlawful employment. Generally speaking if someone can just walk away from a job with no repercussions in Belgium, I'd expect that it is either an illegal employment situation, some kind of odd/seasonal job, or a job where the employer just doesn't care enough to sue (if they were paying out the minimum wage, they certainly aren't going to get anything back by suing!).
Fellow belgian here.
While I agree with what you wrote here there are some other forms of employment too, which do not get the same protections: student jobs, interim jobs and I think flexijobs.
IIRC, not too long ago there was even quite a fuss about interim jobs being abused for long-term employment without worker protections.
Ok, im in Poland and I think the laws are similar enough across all of europe, but it’s true at least in Poland. Every legal employee has to sign a contract of employment with his employer, those fall into categories based on conditions of the work but most common is “contract of employment” which in fact is heavily regulated by law. Termination terms are one of the things that are regulated.
Pretty much it’s illegal to hire someone willy nilly, the state needs to know about it for the purposes of social security and taxation for example.
I’m in Canada and you can walk away from your job at any time. It’s common courtesy to give two weeks notice but you can give 1 day notice if you really wanted to.
Under at will employment, neither side is required to give notice before ending the employment.
Who the heck makes inquiries with HR prior to leaving a job?
Morons, who play right into the hands of HR!
The only times anyone should talk to HR is when they are hired for a job and when they leave a job and you don't talk to HR until you're actually leaving. Not when you're thinking about it. When you are ready to walk out the door, and you have another employment offer or you are retiring. Never before then.
Every job I’ve had HR is filled with complete idiots. I will always make fun of HR
I work in corporate I.T and HR frequently tell us to delete user accounts only for us to then get calls from users who don't understand why their accounts are being deleted. This happens five or six times a year. I don't understand how they can think people are leaving when they're not. It's not even like they were on maternity leave or something, they are just plugging away, doing their jobs without issue, and then HR randomly decided they quit.
You have to be a special kind of moron to work in HR, a simple lack of intelligence just doesn't cut it, you need to be able to not only make a mountain out of a mole hill, but make a mountain out of completely flat terrain.
This has to be a huge company right? I can understand it at companies like Nike or whatever where HR functions basically turn into customer-support type roles where you're dealing with 100 tickets a day and there's no ownership beyond your tiny little cogwheel in the huge machine and there's no way to know all employees so they're just numbers to you. They basically got the number wrong. If it's a small or medium size company though they might be smooth brained.
Is HR in the room with us right now?
I've got a feeling she is HR
It's safe to bully HR. Who are they going to call? HR?
I've never made fun of hr, never seen a reason to. Also I have the feeling, that they've very much my health in mind and are on my side more than the employer.
But I live neither in the USA nor India, so different rules, different culture.
What is “fast reliving”? Some kind of necromantic spell??
I think it’s related to “Doing the needful”
What's an experience certificate?
IIUC there is a system in India to prevent people from working two jobs, which is that you need to present some paper that you get in your current job that certifies you left to get employed at the next one.
It's ghoulish if you ask me.
Capitalism always finds a way to make things just a little worse than anything you’d have come up with on your own. This is such garbage.
This has nothing to do with capitalism. Capitalists would abolish this rule immediately and exploit everyone to work 5 jobs simultaneously.