i have never been so confused about my position on a topic. ever.
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You can still hate them both.
Haha right? A broken clock is right once a day and stuff
Twice
If the clock is run by Bell does it could very well be 1 a day or week.
I wish both Starlink and Bell a very big go fuck yourselves and I hope both of you go bankrupt.
i wish them both (and every other big canadian telecom) a very sincere Get Nationalized Fucker
I love my offbranded Bell subsidiary substitute! It gives me the illusion of choice so I can feel like I am not funding Bell while still using the internet.
In all seriousness, where are we on other options? PublicMobile got bought out by Telus. Any non big telecom options for phone and internet?
I have TekSavvy internet (unless you're in their small fiber network, yes you're still using Bell/Rogers/Cogeco/Telus local lines) and my cell phone is with Fizz (flanker brand of VideoTron, which also owns Freedom, which is all owned by Quebecor).
unless you're in their small fiber network, yes you're still using Bell/Rogers/Cogeco/Telus local lines
The reality is that infrastructure is expensive to build, and the low cost resellers aren't going to be able to build their own (at least not in most places) while maintaining lower prices and some sort of a profit margin.
TekSavvy is not a reseller. They only use incumbent last-mile infrastructure. Once it's out of your neighborhood, it's their infrastructure.
I did too, but Teksavvy is trying to sell themselves off or whatever, so I moved to Park Power. Local reseller utility company (idk, their reach. Edmonton area at least. Power, gas, internet) that donates part of my monthly bill to CKUA radio. Among other options, but I like my CKUA donor supported radio.
Resellers may be some smoke and mirrors, but Teksavvy had unlimited bandwidth for 5 bux extra and wouldn't blacklist you for piracy.
However, Park Power doesn't charge extra to remove bandwidth caps. They straight up don't have any, and are pro consumer in regards to piracy.
TekSavvy and other TPIA (Third-Party Internet Access) providers are not a reseller, presumably including Park Power. They only use incumbent last-mile infrastructure. Once it's out of your neighborhood, it's their infrastructure.
TekSavvy has expressed interest in selling (it's owned by Marc Gaudrault and was previously co-owned with his brother, Rocky), but has not been sold yet.
Thanks for the correction.
Yeah I typically jump ship with any company I pay monthly as soon as they announce any potentially negative shakeups. Did the same with Public Mobile who said they were likely going to shut down under Telus, then didn't lol.
There are a few, but they're rare. I also have no idea if they're any good.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_telephone_companies
Move to Saskatchewan, sure you can see the middle of no where from here but you have real telecommunication competition with Sasktel.
I hate Bell but I hate Musk more. Let them fight.
Bell is just as terrible as Starlink .... at least they don't have an idiot CEO mascot parading around to the world how stupid their company is
And they're not ruining the night sky and radio astronomy.
I never thought a day would come when I would agree with Bell. π
til the canadian government funds starlink..... why?
Funding might be a misleading word here. The title is technically correct, but within context.
Government has funding for increasing internet connectivity in remote areas. Some of that funding is spent on Starlink contracts. So the ask is more like to stop considering Starlink for contracts that consume government funding.
This is excluding the 100 million contract the Ontario government has with Starlink, which Ford (the premier) has said was going to cancel upon the initial announcement of tariffs, then withdrew when the tariffs didn't happen, but then never mentioned ever again despite tariff after tariff being applied to Canada, and especially Ontario considering that this province is the one hit hardest by both the metals and auto tariffs over any other province as far as I know.
Basically Ontario is hit the hardest by the actually applied tariffs, and yet our premier is giving public enemy #2 100 million in taxpayer dollars for a service that can mostly be fulfilled by local companies already.
Ford backed out of canceling Starlink in February, but as far as I can tell he cancelled for good in March.
Right. Thanks for reminding me that he has announced it. Unfortunately I can't find any information to confirm if he went through with the cancellation or not because nobody's reporting on it since that announcement.
Hopefully it was fully cancelled, but frankly I just can't trust Ford to not fold on something like this.
I believe it is for an initiative to improve connectivity in rural and remote areas.
Get rid of that space junk.
Over half the total sattelites in orbit are Starlink. This has to stop now before we loose access to space.
How would we lose access? Starlink is very low earth orbit... drag will deorbit all of the sats sooner or later unless they are serviced.
While I can appreciate that, starlink is going to keep launching them even if we don't use it in Canada. Saying cut starlink out is fine and all but there are lots of places and communities without any decent broadband options at all (in Canada and beyond).
If your in an area getting decent cable or fiber as an option then your comments really don't require any level of sacrifice from you.
Would you commit to the comment to prevent starlink from additional satellites if it meant a general tax increase for everyone resulting in you personally paying an extra of $200/year to accomodate fiber buildout and maintenance?
Saying cut starlink out is fine and all but there are lots of places and communities without any decent broadband options at all (in Canada and beyond).
You may be unaware, but Telstat will have their LEO constellation and subsequent high speed satellite internet up and running by 2027. A Canadian solution to a Canadian problem.
Yes I would.
But not giving them money will limit how many they launch.
There another sattelitte ISPs. Infact, One is working on creating a space celluar network.
I think there's a Spanish one being deployed to be EU's Starlink, not to mention the ones in Japan for their domestic usage, and China and Russia making their own.
Frankly, nothing is going to stop mass deployment of satellites, and aside from meterologists and astronomers, few really have a strong argument against them. Putting up a few thousand more satellites won't make space any less accessible if you spend two seconds to realize just how huge space is. I mean, it's like saying that a thousand car parking lot is running out of space because you dumped tens of thousands of grains of sand.
Nothing is ever going to be able to compete with starlink on price and speeds until there's another launch provider with reusable rockets.
The sheer amount of satellites you need in LEO to get proper coverage requires an assembly line mass producing them like starlink does.
To launch those satellites you then need a launch provider. SpaceX does it for cost. Anyone else will need to pay SpaceX the for profit rate.
SpaceX also uses most of its capacity for itself. They can only launch so often. There isn't enough launch capacity (today) to further launch another large competing constellation.
So that means they can't mass produce them and get economies of scale like Starlink, and they pay high cost per launch.
Anything anyone else comes out with will be at a huge disadvantage to Starlink.
SpaceX will then leapfrog everyone with Starships launch capabilities and push starlink even further on that.
Theoretically once Starship has a really high launch cadence maybe someone could build a competitive service while using it by mass producing satellites cheaper, but that's very far away still.
If Blue Origin can make their rocket reuse work, Kupier might have a chance, but at their pace, that's a very long ways away as well, and only BO will be able to compete, not some other 3rd party.
How much bandwidth you need? Traditional sattelitte already offer ~100Mb. The only issue starlink solves is latency and thats just because the satts are 1/3 the distance. AST's approach seems way smarter than starlink's shotgun approach.
Latency is the critical piece those networks are missing, and they are expensive. Low latency is what allows real-time connection with people, which is a big part of what's difficult with any internet in remote areas other than Starlink today.
You can only solve latency by being closer, and being closer means a lot more smaller satellites as they'll come down faster and will have a smaller field of view. We can't beat the speed of light.
SpaceX is also launching cellular satellites now and will provide cellular coverage to phones globally in participating countries (canada is on Rogers) for use in dead zones, but the bandwidth is tiny compared to using their dish internet network.
Edit: sorry forgot the part where bandwidth then becomes the competing value of the LEO constellation. If someone else does it, maybe they are only 100mbs, but spacex is cheaper and offers 200mbs for example.
All of that seems perfectly reasonable.
And it's also perfectly wrong. Because Telsat Canada has been working on its LEO constellation for about 10 years now. And it goes live in about 2 years.
And yes, it will be superior to Starlink in multiple ways.
Ah yes, a satellite network that predates Starlink's announcement and only has 2 satellites in orbit, is going to be competitive with Starlink in 2 years when they launch using SpaceX's Falcon 9 at a for profit rate (edit: and others who are even more expensive than SpaceX)
Their expected bandwidth in the network once complete is 10tbps for all 198 satellites.
The current Starlink network bandwidth is over 350tbps. A single v2 mini dish is 96gbps, and a single Falcon 9 launch adds 2.592 tbps to the network. A single gen 3 satellite if Starship is successful is 1tbps and they'll launch 60 at a time.
Edit: Oh and even better, Telesat is going to try and NOT compete with Starlink, but I wouldn't expect Starlink to stay out of that.
Rather than compete with Starlink, Telesat is focused on being a wholesale satellite connectivity provider, explained Glenn Katz, the company's CCO. Meaning, Telesat will sell its services to carriers, enterprises and others, not directly to consumers like Starlink does.
Edit: i just wanted to add, those gen 3 starlink satellites are designed and ready to go. They just need Starship to work and then they would heavily ramp production.
Totally fair but his complaint was about too many satellites which means we're limited to terrestrial options
Theres a difference between 200 and 5,000, and starlink is continuing growing.... basically starlink is the shotgun approach of network coverage.
A broken clock's right twice a day. F- Robellus, but f- Felon Moskva more.
Bell. Let's Talk.
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