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[โ€“] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 71 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Never would I have thought Lemmy would advocate installing Linux.

[โ€“] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They're so entrenched in OS/2, it came as a complete surprise to me as well.

What happened to all the "Your games will run fine in OS/2", "it feels just like windows"?

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[โ€“] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 47 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Signal is American

Opt for a Matrix or XMPP provider in Europe (magicbroccoli.de is a genuinely great XMPP provider)

[โ€“] Supernova1051@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 years ago (7 children)

While Signal's home base is the US, they are a non profit org that doesn't operate in the same way as for-profit corporations. Also, Signal collects basically zero data so there's no incentive to sell out, and who would want to buy them anyway when they have no data and the server and client are open source.

Matrix is great, but I wouldn't compare it to Signal. I use both for very different purposes.

[โ€“] XM34@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Agree with the sentiment against signal. However, Matrix is terrible for anyone who doesn't want to bother with reading up on several hours of information just to use a text messenger. I will start recommending Matrix the moment someone actually manages to produce a feature complete client with usable UI/UX.

[โ€“] lostbit@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago

yeah been trying out matrix. Setup a server and tried various clients. They are all shit.

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[โ€“] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 12 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Also simplex is a good alternative, it's decentralized:)

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[โ€“] lime@feddit.nu 28 points 2 years ago (5 children)

librewolf is still dependent on firefox for development, just like vivaldi is on chrome. there is no european web browser.

[โ€“] Libb@jlai.lu 13 points 2 years ago (6 children)

For FF and Chromium to, their source is open so if there ever was a need to make it fully European, it would be doable. Or did I miss something? (novice question, here)

[โ€“] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

in addition to the other reply, the teams working on browsers are massive. over 500 developers for each, and that's only the core teams without external contributors. you don't just put together a team like that in an afternoon.

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[โ€“] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The problem is that Librewolf, ungoogled chromium etc are soft forks, meaning they are completely dependent on the original projects. If for example Trump made a law banning releasing software as open source because thatโ€™s communism, Librewolf would likely cease to exist

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[โ€“] Zachariah@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Threema is a European secure messenger.

[โ€“] scoobford@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Zachariah@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Paid means youโ€™re more likely a customer than the product.

I canโ€™t verify the security claims either way, but this article is a counter point to the one one linked: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/threema-claims-encryption-flaws-never-had-a-real-world-impact/

"While some of the findings presented in the paper may be interesting from a theoretical standpoint, none of them ever had any considerable real-world impact. Most assume extensive and unrealistic prerequisites that would have far greater consequences than the respective finding itself." - Threema.

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[โ€“] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn't signal owned by a single company with backend infrastructure all Managed by them and only them?

The current CEO is nice, for sure, but she won't be there forever. Look at what Mozilla just did, this eventually WILL happen to signal too

What alternatives are there form something like signal?

[โ€“] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You can self-host Signal, although youโ€™d need your friends to sign up with your server.

What we really need is a federated messaging platform. I donโ€™t think itโ€™s been done yet, but encrypted email efforts are kinda in that direction.

[โ€“] syfrix@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Federated messaging we've had for ages: XMPP
A modern messenger based on existing technologies, including encrypted email which you happen mention: Delta Chat

[โ€“] loics2@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Matrix is trying to fill that gap

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[โ€“] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Startpage? (based in Netherlands). I mean itโ€™s a frontend for google, but ecosia is a frontend for bing. And startpage has a no log policy which beats ecosia.

[โ€“] NewDay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

System1 acquired Startpage and they are based in the US.

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[โ€“] Snoezelpoes@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Startpage gives very good results, I recall reading somewhere that they use search results from Google, but I honestly don't know. I use it over Ecosia because it has slightly better results and is more privacy focused. Plus I never click any adverts, so Ecosia wouldn't generate an awful lot of trees from my usage haha.

I also used Qwant, but the search results weren't great for more complex search queries.

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[โ€“] outbakes9510@piefed.social 10 points 2 years ago
[โ€“] x_pikl_x@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So your suggestion to "buy European" is to download a bunch of free shit...

[โ€“] chmod755@feddit.org 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I tried Mistral and it's awesome, I am upgrading to the paid version

[โ€“] pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Last spring Mistral (free tier) was better for my usage (mainly JS programming) than ChatGPT (free tier). No idea which is better now (esp. after openai launched chatgpt 4, but Mistral improved too) but at least Mistral isn't bad at all.

I don't think I have to elaborate on Linux > Windows. If that's really needed ask for it please. Summary: It's simply better, the times where it was only for nerds are long gone.

Search engine doesn't matter too much. I usually use DuckDuckGo and it works fine (does what a search engine should do without displaying ads, unlike Google).

Signal over WhatsApp also is pretty obvious, but it's the hardest one to change because so many people simply don't want to switch once one thing is running and you want to communicate with those people.

LibreWolf basically is Firefox (which is far better than Chrome in terms of privacy, ad blocking, customisability, ...)

[โ€“] VerPoilu@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Isn't ecosia paying ~~Google~~ Bing for its results?

Edit: changed Google to Bing.

[โ€“] Klogge@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago

Yes, but ecosia is currently building a European search index together with qwant. In my view, the two are therefore worth supporting

[โ€“] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They're planning to eventually switch to a european index alongside Qwant.

[โ€“] Libb@jlai.lu 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So is Startpage, if I recall correctly.

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[โ€“] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

So is Qwant, yes.

[โ€“] aldfin@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Already done most of those, whatsapp is the hardest to replace for me from this category.

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[โ€“] Korne127@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Ew, Chromium

And why not DuckDuckGo?

[โ€“] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago

Wait, wasn't Vivaldi bought by a Chinese conglomerate?

[โ€“] yumyumsmuncher@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I need an european search engine that supports bangs

[โ€“] flamingos@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[โ€“] yumyumsmuncher@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No, it doesn't take you to the website you used the bang for. Doesn't behave like duckduckgo or brave search

[โ€“] flamingos@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, they're not working for me either.

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[โ€“] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

It would've been perfect if it recommended matrix instead of american-owned signal.

[โ€“] CubitOom@infosec.pub 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you want to use large language models or other generative predictive models (I refuse to call it AI) then I suggest considering self hosting those models for ultimate control of the information you provide.

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[โ€“] Thunderrunner03@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago

As an american I am switching to European apps I am disgusted with being an american citizen and if I could I would move.

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