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[โ€“] [email protected] 67 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Never would I have thought Lemmy would advocate installing Linux.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They're so entrenched in OS/2, it came as a complete surprise to me as well.

What happened to all the "Your games will run fine in OS/2", "it feels just like windows"?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Signal is American

Opt for a Matrix or XMPP provider in Europe (magicbroccoli.de is a genuinely great XMPP provider)

[โ€“] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (6 children)

While Signal's home base is the US, they are a non profit org that doesn't operate in the same way as for-profit corporations. Also, Signal collects basically zero data so there's no incentive to sell out, and who would want to buy them anyway when they have no data and the server and client are open source.

Matrix is great, but I wouldn't compare it to Signal. I use both for very different purposes.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Agree with the sentiment against signal. However, Matrix is terrible for anyone who doesn't want to bother with reading up on several hours of information just to use a text messenger. I will start recommending Matrix the moment someone actually manages to produce a feature complete client with usable UI/UX.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

yeah been trying out matrix. Setup a server and tried various clients. They are all shit.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Also simplex is a good alternative, it's decentralized:)

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[โ€“] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (5 children)

librewolf is still dependent on firefox for development, just like vivaldi is on chrome. there is no european web browser.

[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (6 children)

For FF and Chromium to, their source is open so if there ever was a need to make it fully European, it would be doable. Or did I miss something? (novice question, here)

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

in addition to the other reply, the teams working on browsers are massive. over 500 developers for each, and that's only the core teams without external contributors. you don't just put together a team like that in an afternoon.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The problem is that Librewolf, ungoogled chromium etc are soft forks, meaning they are completely dependent on the original projects. If for example Trump made a law banning releasing software as open source because thatโ€™s communism, Librewolf would likely cease to exist

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[โ€“] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Threema is a European secure messenger.

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Paid means youโ€™re more likely a customer than the product.

I canโ€™t verify the security claims either way, but this article is a counter point to the one one linked: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/threema-claims-encryption-flaws-never-had-a-real-world-impact/

"While some of the findings presented in the paper may be interesting from a theoretical standpoint, none of them ever had any considerable real-world impact. Most assume extensive and unrealistic prerequisites that would have far greater consequences than the respective finding itself." - Threema.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So your suggestion to "buy European" is to download a bunch of free shit...

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I tried Mistral and it's awesome, I am upgrading to the paid version

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Last spring Mistral (free tier) was better for my usage (mainly JS programming) than ChatGPT (free tier). No idea which is better now (esp. after openai launched chatgpt 4, but Mistral improved too) but at least Mistral isn't bad at all.

I don't think I have to elaborate on Linux > Windows. If that's really needed ask for it please. Summary: It's simply better, the times where it was only for nerds are long gone.

Search engine doesn't matter too much. I usually use DuckDuckGo and it works fine (does what a search engine should do without displaying ads, unlike Google).

Signal over WhatsApp also is pretty obvious, but it's the hardest one to change because so many people simply don't want to switch once one thing is running and you want to communicate with those people.

LibreWolf basically is Firefox (which is far better than Chrome in terms of privacy, ad blocking, customisability, ...)

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Startpage? (based in Netherlands). I mean itโ€™s a frontend for google, but ecosia is a frontend for bing. And startpage has a no log policy which beats ecosia.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

System1 acquired Startpage and they are based in the US.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Startpage gives very good results, I recall reading somewhere that they use search results from Google, but I honestly don't know. I use it over Ecosia because it has slightly better results and is more privacy focused. Plus I never click any adverts, so Ecosia wouldn't generate an awful lot of trees from my usage haha.

I also used Qwant, but the search results weren't great for more complex search queries.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago
[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Isn't signal owned by a single company with backend infrastructure all Managed by them and only them?

The current CEO is nice, for sure, but she won't be there forever. Look at what Mozilla just did, this eventually WILL happen to signal too

What alternatives are there form something like signal?

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You can self-host Signal, although youโ€™d need your friends to sign up with your server.

What we really need is a federated messaging platform. I donโ€™t think itโ€™s been done yet, but encrypted email efforts are kinda in that direction.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Federated messaging we've had for ages: XMPP
A modern messenger based on existing technologies, including encrypted email which you happen mention: Delta Chat

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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Isn't ecosia paying ~~Google~~ Bing for its results?

Edit: changed Google to Bing.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Yes, but ecosia is currently building a European search index together with qwant. In my view, the two are therefore worth supporting

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They're planning to eventually switch to a european index alongside Qwant.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So is Startpage, if I recall correctly.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Startpage is based on Google.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

So is Qwant, yes.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Already done most of those, whatsapp is the hardest to replace for me from this category.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Ew, Chromium

And why not DuckDuckGo?

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I need an european search engine that supports bangs

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No, it doesn't take you to the website you used the bang for. Doesn't behave like duckduckgo or brave search

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, they're not working for me either.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Not sure if how they work in DuckDuckGo or Brave, but in Ecosia they have predefined bangs for some sites that open that site's search when you write them. E.g. โ€œ#g woodpecker" would open a google search page for the result woodpecker, same for #yt for YouTube.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Wait, wasn't Vivaldi bought by a Chinese conglomerate?

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you want to use large language models or other generative predictive models (I refuse to call it AI) then I suggest considering self hosting those models for ultimate control of the information you provide.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

It would've been perfect if it recommended matrix instead of american-owned signal.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

As an american I am switching to European apps I am disgusted with being an american citizen and if I could I would move.

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