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I've worked 2nd (afternoon), swing (evening), and 3rd (overnight) shifts for the majority of my life. I recently moved into a training position where I'm Monday through Friday, 8am to ~5:30pm (I get OT while I'm cleaning up and writing reports).

As much as the 2nd/swing/3rd shifts screw with your life in other ways, the difficulty in scheduling any kind of life services outside of working hours is maddening. Doctor's appointment? Nope. DMV? Maybe Saturday, if you're lucky. Chaperone your kids field trip? Hahahhah no.

I don't want to burn sick time for a doctor's appointment (I need to save those for when my kid is actually sick), and I sure as hell don't want to use up a "vacation" day for it. How tf are you supposed to get anything done?

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[–] Flaqueman@sh.itjust.works 243 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You're not supposed to do anything other than generate value. Society doesn't care about your DMV needs. Just work and consume.

[–] Tower@lemmy.zip 175 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 22 points 1 week ago

I guess reproduction didn't make the cut, hence the crashing birth rates.

[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This. If I take another 1st shift job, I will make sure it's 10hr shifts with the same week day off weekly.

[–] adarza@piefed.ca 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

4-day work weeks are great, especially if you have a significant commute, because you're cutting 20% of that right out. the adding 2 hours to every work day, not so much; but the longer hours can mean that traffic is a bit lighter. the guaranteed week day off is huge when you have 'stuff' to do.

[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I absolutely hate commuting. If there's one thing I learned in the spring/summer of 2020, it's that not driving to work is awesome.

[–] akwd169@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The people who still had to commute places during that time also learned commuting is not stressful at all when theres barely any people commuting

Almost like theres just too many people expected to commute to work, all at the same damn times

Almost like if there was someway to offset start times and keep as many people WFH as possible, our lives would be 20x better

But no. Fuck you. You show up at the same time as the rest of the city, and you make profits for the overlords just like everyone else, fuck your life and happiness

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[–] GarboDog@lemmy.world 124 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Shindo66@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Scrolling down to this actually made me burst out with a laugh. Well done.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 106 points 1 week ago
[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 89 points 1 week ago (2 children)

that's the point. the capitalists want every minute of your life they can get to work for them, then make you scramble to fit the rest of your life in the gaps. they make more profit and you have less time and energy to educate yourself, think, and organize

[–] bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A tired worker is an obedient one

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[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 63 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Jobs paid enough so one person could stay home is how it worked. Growing up, dad made all the money and mom stayed home to do chores and whatnot. It’s just how things worked. These days mom’s living off of dad’s retirement fund since he died early and she’s always surprised when I have to ask her for money even though its her generation that made the world what it is. Even when I am able to find work my wife and I are check to check. It’s stupid.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Yep we could have kept taxing the wealthy like we did pre Regan and things would have been good still but both parties became neoliberal shit

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[–] expr@piefed.social 57 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Where I work, they don't really give a shit if you have to go to an appointment or whatever. You just let people know you're going to be out at such and such time and that's it. No micromanaging of time since we're all adults and know what our deadlines and deliverables are. It's a salaried position, though.

If I had no flexibility at all that would definitely be pretty miserable.

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 week ago

I come from a decade of high flexibility and autonomy. I now have a boss who basically breathes down my neck until the moment i need help, then is a ghost.

The "you have to be sitting at your desk the whole day, every day" thing is fucking insane. I can't believe how much I dislike this job because of it

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nice office jobs you can slip out for doctors appointments, but you kinda sorta still have to make up some of the time.

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[–] Unleaded8163@fedia.io 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think there was a time, maybe a few decades ago, when it was entirely acceptable and expected for a full time employee to say "I'm taking off early today, I've got a few errands to run." from time to time. I'm very lucky to be able to do that, but it sounds like it's getting less common.

[–] PoastRotato@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is exactly why I've stayed working for the same company for the last 6 years. I could definitely go elsewhere and get paid more (job hopping for higher salary is pretty common in my field), but I seriously doubt they'd be as cool with my senior dog's frequent vet appointments.

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[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 34 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Honestly? It's hard. I'd literally kill for a 4 day work week. It's become ridiculous.

My gf and I don't even have kids. I can't even imagine having kids to manage on top.

My weekends I barely have time to socialize or engage in my hobbies or leisure. When I do, my weekend chores overflow on my Monday evening. I'm tired all the fucking time.

It feels like a god damn cage.

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[–] Custard@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The concept of burning vacation / sick time for a doctor's appointment is weird to me (canada). I just say "hey boss, doc appointment this day" and he says "okay".

I feel like it depends on the company here, but I don't think I'd stay long if they made me use my time off for that.

[–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Same thing here in Europe. You can then get a special permit from the doctor to show your employer that you were actually at a medical appointment and not smoking weed

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's the neat part. You don't.

Okay but really, you have to take time off.

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 30 points 1 week ago

Thats the neat part, we dont.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is why the rich don't understand how the poor "can't work". They have kids yo. And lower end jobs oftenhave very strict hours. But the upper end jobs have lots of flexibility. And the rich of course just don't volunteer at their kids school, or they have a parent home with the kids to do all those things.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Last month, I was looking for advice for burnout.

The advice I found was inevitably "take a leave of absence from work and get a therapist."

What a sick fucking joke.

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[–] darthsundhaft@piefed.social 29 points 1 week ago

As someone who also does "8-5" (can't believe we still call it that), I don't get any life done. I get home, get dinner done and then I doom scroll until I pass out from the exhaustion.

Given my commute is longer than most, I just don't have the time or energy to commit to other things I would otherwise be willing to get into. Drives me nuts when I see others being able to get their shit done seemingly whenever they want. With traffic being shit here, no idea how anyone can realistically get to the gym and still make themselves dinner afterwards without going past 10. It's crazy out here.

[–] lokalhorst@feddit.org 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have flexible time fortunately, which means I can start later if I have a doctors appointment. I make over hours most of the time so I can use those for these kind of events. Also I reduced my weekly working time to 80%

It's a privileged situation, but it is the only way to keep me sane. I can go shopping groceries at 3:30 instead of 5 or go to the gym earlier, it makes huge differences.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I had a boss tell us we should forget about work-life balance.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a weird way to pronounce "we're an abusive workplace and I advise you to form a union."

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Burn PTO. Already get up at 6 to get the kids off to school, straight to work, straight to dinner, pick one chore until i pass out, get up at 6

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How tf do people who work 8-5 M-F get any life done?

Ha ha. Ahhhh ...

sob

[–] Steve@communick.news 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

When I tell people I work 3 days, 12 hour shifts. They say something like "That's way too long I could never do that."
They don't think about the fact that I get a 4 day long weekend... EVERY WEEK!
I could never go back to a 5 day schedule.

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[–] sznowicki@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m too European to get it

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[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 21 points 1 week ago

It doesn't work for anyone. People use up their vacation days.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I haven't got a fucking clue. I always hated normal jobs, but I do enjoy having both food and shelter (how decadent of me, I know), so I did what I could to scrape by. And what I "could" usually translated to "could find".

Then my proper career started in 2008, and it was an offshore rotation. Give weeks offshore in various corners of the world, followed by five weeks at home. It paid well, and I got to see the world. I worked my ass off for five weeks straight, 12 hour shifts every day, and when I was home I was free ro do whatever.

Then came 2011: The company wasn't doing too well, and I had contracted a family. I wanted to spend more time at home, and while I wasn't completely prepared to change careers just yet, I was mentally toying with the idea.

In spring 2012 I decided it was time to find a "normal" job, so I could spend more time with my family. M through F, 0800-1600, mostly at a technical workshop, sometimes at clients' places, and once in a blue moon at an office.

It. Was. Miserable. But having a normal job was what I was supposed to do, right? Well, the money wasn't bad per se, but it was nowhere near what I used to earn. Plus, when I got home from work I was so exhausted I rarely had energy left over. The family life I was aiming for was severely limited by my stamina.

In 2019 I concluded that nor.al jobs are for normal people, so I reached out to some old colleagues of mine, and suddenly I found myself in a job interview. Got back offshore, and never regretted my change of heart.

It's worth noting that I don't really go offshore any.ore, as I have since ended up in a supporting role, where 90% of my job is done via email or VPN, from home, saving up energy for when my kids (now plural) get home.

[–] bridgeburner@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You don't. That's why I am only working 4 days a week (with respectively reduced pay). But it's worth it, I much rather reduce the money I have available for my free time, but have a much more relaxed work week.

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[–] yakko@feddit.uk 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I work from home, and I'm paid based on various billable tasks. I work up to three times as fast as they think those tasks should take, and I only really work from 11am-3pm most days.

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[–] sixty@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (5 children)

A 9.5 hour work day is insaaane

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[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago

Use up vacation days. Yes, really.

[–] farmgineer@nord.pub 19 points 1 week ago

As someone who had to take tomorrow off to visit the vehicle inspection place, I'm getting a kick...

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We don't. We come home around 7 and start doing the bare minimum to keep up the household letting daycares and schools raise our kids.

We clean and cook and pay our bills then we go to sleep irritated and tired and sick of the rat race.

We have sex once or twice a month and go to fucking florida once a year. That's it.

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[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago

I am sorry you don’t want to burn up sick time or PTO… you have no choice, or find a care giver that works on weekends.

It really sucks.

[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago

We don't. We just exist. And then we die. It's monstrous.

[–] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I hate it.

Luckily I work a 4x10 right now. But I'm sure somebody somewhere in my company's management has noticed I am just slightly less miserable than I could be.

I would legitimately work a 2x20 if I could.

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[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 17 points 1 week ago

Privileged to have flexible time, WFH, paid OT.

Trusted professional career where as long as you get the work done, then if you start later, have a longer lunch or finish earlier every now and then no one bats an eye.

[–] HeHoXa@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sometimes it’s using PTO or sick time (normally I’ve been able to take the time in 2 hour blocks), sometimes I’ve just been able to arrange with my supervisor for an extended lunch break, or just taking an unpaid break during the day and making up the hours later in the day or the week so that I’m not hitting my income or not completing my work.

Also, there’s reasons dentist offices often open early, or work on the weekends. Other necessary services like that may offer extended hours on certain days of the week.

EDIT: And things like chaperoning the kid’s field trip? Yeah, you’ll just have to use PTO or not do it. There’s a reason schools usually don’t have many parents volunteer for field trips; most parents can’t get the time off work.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Doctor's appointments are considered as showing up to work in my country so people don't go undiagnosed for years before it gets worse. Anyways I don't have a life as well. I just do things that are possible to do in the evening (gym, studying, meeting friends). Weekends are for errands. Fuck life

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