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Sorry I couldnt find how to crosspost on old lemmy UI, saw this in another comm and had to share.
And be sure to use AI when your next child
gets married, so that you can write them
the perfect toast or poem or speech or song
because no one wants to hear your
words, the actual poorly written words
of a parent (you) who changed
hundreds of diapers for said child or fed
them in the middle of the
night from your actual body.
Shawn Smucker
This reads like we should be ashamed for giving out cards as well. Shit isn’t in our words at all!
I mean, most people still will write something on a card. Even something as simple as “congrats!” Or “so proud of you!” Which is more personal than getting a robot to do the work for you
This is so well-written. I overhear people at work talk about using AI for a meal plan, or a workout plan, and I always think, "Someone in your life would love to share their passion for cooking or exercise with you." Screw it, I need to start bringing it up with those people.
No. No they wouldn’t, actually.
“Someone in your life would love to share their passion for cooking or exercise with you.”
There is a reason people talk to ai instead of people, unfortunately. If you don't know for a fact that someone has people in their life who enjoy listening to them, you shouldn't suggest that those people somehow exist, not unless you're sure that they do. You have to be sure as in you really know, not sure as in "I'm sure they mean well." People often do not actually mean well.
The thing with is: if you have passion for something you want to let others experience these feelings as well. And i dont need to know someone to tell them about my passion projects and they only need the tiniest of positive response for me to enjoy helping them... I hope you have something you are passionate about to understanding what i am trying to convey. The crucial part is the "i dont need to know someone well to enjoy helping them" and i know for a fact that a huuuge percentage of people share that mindset. Sooo:
I know there is someone in your life that would love to share their passion for cooking with you!
And btw: suggesting there is someone in your vicinity to help you with your problem leads to them masking around for help leads to the person broadening their circle which makes it evermore likely to find someone which actually wants to help.
I have a few projects, and I can promise you, talking to people about anything I love to do is a bother for them.
I’ve been told my projects are too much. I’m a painter and a writer. It’s not hard to look at a painting but they do not care.
If I was needing help with something you like to do, would you enjoy helping me?
Some people don't get a positive response. I know that's really hard to believe. And from an outsider's perspective you see why they get a negative response, because a lot of these folks just "say things wrong." It's really hard to explain unless you've seen it before.
That is not hard to believe. But I believe their social skills will improve by beeing social. ie the solution for these people is to ask more people for help.
While some individuals with developmental delay (AN INVISIBLE DISABILITY AND NOT AT ALL WHAT YOU'RE PICTURING) can improve their social skills by being social, for many, their disability (NOT WHAT YOU'RE PICTURING, STOP USING YOUR IMAGINATION), is something that they were born with, is permanent, and requires outside assistance. It is not helpful to tell people with no social circle, whether due to disability, poverty, depression, or something else, that they can magically be social or become social somehow without outside assistance. You may be capable of just being social and you probably have been since the day you were born. There are a myriad of reasons why someone wouldn't have a social circle, and many of those people cannot simply "be social." That isn't how it works.
I have been trying not to say the words disability or poverty or depression because I knew your brain would shut off and you'd focus only on your own imagination and not what I'm trying to say. You'd also probably imagine that I'm talking about a small population of people.
Edit: Why don't you write a poem about paying psych workers at least $40 an hour?
Your assumptions about me are off by a lot. (Except for me thinking of a small population, which made me reflect, thank you)
I did improve my social skills by forcing myself to talk to people for half a year every Thursday. Someone telling me that "beeing social" is a skill would have helped me.
And it's obvious you believe it helps some people if I say "be social". Why is an advice "not beeing helpful" to some reason enough not to say it?
Your assumptions about me are off by a lot. (Except for me thinking of a small population, which made me reflect, thank you)
It's not you in particular. Most people, when they hear autism, intellectual disability, or developmental delay picture a drooling helpless patient wearing a helmet who barely knows he's indoors. Those guys exist, and they deserve care, but they do not represent the vast majority of disabled people.
And it’s obvious you believe it helps some people if I say “be social”.
No, I don't think it helps at all. The people who are capable of being social are already social. Some may or may not use AI but the people who are capable of hearing "be social" and acting on it are largely already social and do not totally depend on AI. The reason you're seeing "normal people" get AI psychosis is because THAT IS WHAT DISABLED PEOPLE LOOK LIKE. THEY LOOK ""NORMAL."" Vulnerable people do not have a sign on their forehead that says I'm Vulnerable. That isn't how it works.
Why is an advice “not beeing helpful” to some reason enough not to say it?
Because it's exactly like saying "you should just make more money," in my opinion.
That poem hits hard, very well done.
I saw it as "I know your circumstances better than you do," type of toxic positivity, but I guess art is subjective
edit: not trying to shit on this guy, but people aren't as empathetic or interested in each other as he makes it out
This says a whole lot more about you than I think you realize.
No, pretty sure it said the thing about me I meant to say.
People who are very socially isolated deserve compassion, and part of that compassion means first acknowledging that they are in fact socially isolated, and do not have secret friends they can rely on.
I’m not even socially isolated but I can still promise people absolutely do not want to be burdened by the things others do.
That's not where my brain was going but I agree, even neurotypical people with enough spending money to care about other people's problems don't really want to hear about it, that's a good point too
"I can't digest milk, so you shouldn't eat cheese in front of me."
Are you deserving of compassion? Sure. Does this extend to the point that we should eschew saying things that are helpful and even welcome to the overwhelming majority of the population? Not a chance.
Sorry, but not sorry.
That's just nowhere near comparable. I didn't say that people can't have friends in front of people who don't. I'm also not talking about myself.
People who don't have any social circle aren't helped by being told that they secretly actually DO have a social circle that they're just not utilizing. I happen to have a lot of patience for weird or awkward people trying to share their interests with me, but the majority of people aren't very patient. There are some people who just can't make that kind of thing happen for themselves, and so require others (caregivers or family members, usually) to assist them in socializing. These days, such people are turning to AI. A lot of people just don't have the patience to help others learn social graces. This is the reality.
Your reality really. You can change all this over time.
No, the individuals I am talking about almost universally require outside assistance to form a social circle, and many of them do use AI to socialize. Not because it helps them be better at socializing, but because being lonely is painful and talking to an AI is a substitute for what they actually need.
They’re not gonna get better at socializing by using ai for everything instead of talking to people. I don’t really have any true friends. I’ve got family, which is great, but I don’t have any friends that I go out and hang with or online friends that I game with or anything like that. I’m shit at socializing. But when I have something I want to do, I don’t just give up and use ai, I either try to reach out to an acquaintance or I look for an online community to ask for help. And yeah, that comes with the risk of getting a negative reaction and often my anxiety gives me a hell of a time but it’s the only way I’m gonna get better at it. And maybe eventually I’ll have done it so much that it’ll be normal to me instead of the horribly daunting thing it currently is
This isn’t telling people that “they secretly actually DO have a social circle they’re just not utilizing” it’s telling people to utilize the social circle they have, and for some people that might not be much at all. And that’s okay, this message isn’t directly speaking to them. The heart of it still remains: it’s better to turn to people than ai. And if you don’t know anyone, then try to meet or find someone. If it’s hobby related then see if there’s a local group (like a local knitting or book club) or try to find an online community. It’s scary as shit, but it’s worth it
utilize the social circle they have
Some people do not have a social circle at all whatsoever.
it’s better to turn to people than ai.'
OK. It's better to eat salad than to eat a hamburger. Does saying this materially help people with food addictions or who live in food deserts? Does it help someone with no access to salad to tell him that it's better to eat salad?
If you’re gonna quote me then don’t leave out the relevant parts: “it’s telling people to utilize the social circle they have, and for some people that might not be much at all. And that’s okay, this message isn’t directly speaking to them.” I’d really like to repeat this point here that things don’t have to apply to every situation. Just bc you can think of a scenario where this post might be less relevant, doesn’t mean it’s bad. This is like going onto posts about nuts being healthy or recipes that have peanuts in them and angrily commenting “not everyone can eat nuts >:( some people are allergic.” The post isn’t for them and that’s okay
Also, you're being defeatist. Just because someone lives in a food desert or has a food addiction, should they give up on eating healthy? Should they say they can’t help it and not try to be healthy? No, it’s obviously still worth it to do what they can. That’s going to mean different things for different people, but the end goal of eating healthy is still the same. Similarly, just because some people are socially isolated doesn’t mean they should give up. They should still try to develop social relationships. It’s not gonna happen overnight, but trying to slowly make progress is better than just accept social isolation. Nobody deserves to be isolated and alone
Also, you say this doesn’t materially help anyone, but if the people around those who are socially isolated start reaching out to people for help instead of ai, then that could include the socially isolated person. (No matter how alone someone may feel, they do know people and people know them, there’s just no connection. They’re not friends but they could be neighbors, classmates, or colleagues. And this post is encouraging people to reach out to those around them.) So yes, this post could actually help encourage people to reach out to socially isolated people
No dude it’s not helpful to tell someone to “just do it” when they can’t just do it. You’ve got to meaningfully help them do it. I’m not gonna repeat myself again.
Okay then can you point out where I said to “just do it”?
Nope. We’re done. I repeated myself over and over. I’m sorry if you’re still confused.
Watch Netflix, use Google, Facebook. Buy Apple. Play Ubisoft and EA games. Eat McDonalds. Order on Amazon.
Complain about how hard is to live now.
This reads like texting me is like poking AI because I answer promptly and don’t small talk because I might be AuDHD
what about people who dont have cooks as friends or enjoy fishing, am i allowed to use it?
No, read a book and come up with it yourself.
ok what book do i read to find 3 night electronic music festivals happening in august on the east coast that cost under 300 dollars?
I think - correct me if I'm wrong - that 'internet search' is a thing that might be helpful here. What that can do (assuming that I didn't dream it) is allow you to compile a list of music festivals that lean towards your preferred genres. From there, you may be able to figure out what you'll need to compromise on (duration, cost, location) and even find somewhere to book tickets. I believe altavista, or maybe it was astalavista, or possibly 'yahoo', were some of the sites. It's been a long time, and like I say, 'twas perhaps just a particularly vivid recurring dream I used to have...
yeah i could use a search engine. or i could use an llm for qiuck pointers and then use a search engine to investigate the best sounding suggestions and save myself a ton of time.
Just leaving this here for no reason
Edit: not mine
how original. never heard a joke like this before. youre a very talented artist.
No wonder you have no friends.
i have friends, thats not nice.
edit - you guys realize that you are becoming what you calim to hate. an echo chamber throwing around ad hominems, and thinking youre better than everyone else. its extremely unbecoming.