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[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I feel like choosing only one of these two options is needlessly limiting.

Lack of imagination is worst quality for a shapeshifter to have.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 67 points 3 days ago (8 children)

"Yea, I picked the power to change reality at my will. I can literally do anything I want. Water is breathable now. Disease doesn't exist. I created a moon base by snapping my fingers and people can teleport to it. What did you pick?"

"Oh, uh... shapeshifting..."

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you've read Watchmen you know what the downside of that power is. Godlike power leads to detachment from the human race. You lose the connection to everything you ever loved, to your humanity.

The worst that being a shapeshifter will do to you is getting you into some kinky sex.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Some versions of shape shifting have very real downsides. Remember Odo from Deep Space 9

Notice how his face looks like it was crudely sculpted out of clay? This is because in the story he's a shapeshifter. But this isn't shapeshifting like Animorphs, where you just have to imagine an image of an animal that you've absorbed the pattern of. That form of shapeshifting is like a menu. You mentally select a form to shift into, and the powers take care of all the pesky details.

But some forms of shapeshifting, like Odo's, don't work like that. You can't just mentally tell your powers "make me look like John." If you want to look like John, you instead would have to mentally picture every single minute detail of John's face and body. Imagine if you had to consciously recall and build up your entire form detail by detail every time you shifted.

This is why Odo looks so odd. His true form is a puddle. Him taking a form is like a painter painting a picture - every detail has to be consciously chosen. Maybe a true master painter could shape shift into a form with a realistic face, but most folks would end up looking like Odo.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's been a while since I watched it, but wasn't Odo shitty at shapeshifting because he was raised away from his people (puddle)?

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Sure. But if you're granted shape shifting powers today, will you have that level of expertise? No your skills would be far below Odo. Hell you'll probably have to spend a few decades as a puddle before you even figure out how to turn yourself into something as simple as a plain cube. I'm telling you, be careful with shape shifting. Depending on the malevolence of the genie or other entity granting you these powers, it's very easy for shape shifting to end up as a fate worse than death.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From what I recall, as the years go by, he gets better at it. In that one where they get stranded on that planet which sends them back in time he's essentially using his "real" face.

True Changelings can impersonate people flawlessly. IE Martok, Doctor Bashir and Chief O'Brien were done perfectly.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

He does. And that's the problem. It took him decades just to learn the level of shape shifting given to him in the show. If you end up with Odo's version of shape shifting, it's going to take a similar another of time to master it. Hell, it took him years to figure out the most basic forms. It took him years just to figure out how to be anything other than a puddle.

[–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 26 points 3 days ago (4 children)

So I don't risk fucking up thermodynamics next time I drop acid and making atoms stop being a thing.

[–] edwardbear@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (9 children)

I mean I’ve seen myself “functioning” when I’m a tiny bit high. No way I’m trusting myself with that much power. “Oops, instead of teleporting those guys on the surface, I halfway burried them”

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[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago

“Don’t mind the pen holding the bag of money”

[–] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Obviously. They're LOOKSmaxers.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I can't wait for _____maxxing to exit the lexicon.

[–] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

That's just waitmaxxing.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

When you become a pen where do you put the money? Checkmate shapeshifters.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Yeah, but then you'd really know what it sounds like when a hand grenade goes off in a bank vault.

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Why does that pen have two bags with two hundred thousand euros? Does anyone else find it odd?

[–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Okay, how are you gonna get the money out tho?

[–] callyral@pawb.social 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If I shapeshift into an inanimate object, where does my consciousness go? Pens don't have a brain, or any senses at all. Could I even perceive the world around me? Would I live forever in pitch darkness, unable to think, unable to change back? All for a bank robbery?

[–] edgesmash@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago
[–] embed_me@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago

It's not actually shapeshifting you just perfectly transform everyone's perception including yourselves to appear as such. There, no more physics breaking.

[–] FRYD@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I feel like shapeshifting would be an awful superpower if I got to choose. Why would I choose a superpower to cancel my insecurities? Your appearance is a huge part of who you are. How you look is a reflection of the life you lived and the work you put in to look a certain way. Magically being able to look perfect won’t make you secure, it’ll just make you come up with new things to be insecure about. Insecurity isn’t about looks, it’s about strength of character.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also some forms of shapeshifting can be horrifying. In some kinds of shapeshifting, you have to be able to visualize every minute detail of the form you're shifting into. Imagine getting shapeshifting powers and shifting into another form. Then when you want to shift back, you realize you don't actually have a "default form." You can shift forms as often as you want, but you have to picture and visualize every minute detail. Your original form is now lost forever. Remember Odo from Deep Space 9? His form was roughly humanoid but clearly not natural. He had to consciously control every minute detail of his face.

Imagine trying to paint a photo-realistic painting of yourself. That's a fraction of the level of detail you'll need to capture every detail of the forms you're changing into, including your original one. Even your original form is now lost, replaced with whatever half-remembered remnant you can cobble together with your mind.

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[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (8 children)

The "pick a superpower" game needs rules, because otherwise, the best option is omnipotence.

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[–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Jumper style teleportation. I know it’s not objectively the best, that would probably be Atom Eve’s power from Invincible. But Jumper is the only media I’ve ever seen that’s left me a deep, unquenchable yearning to have a power. For days afterwards I was daydreaming about where I would teleport to.

You could get a cheap house in the middle of nowhere. You could get into movies for free. You could rob a bank. If you felt heroic you could be a top tier EMT. Maybe a low-risk astronaut. Bring the pieces of a giant rocket into orbit a little at a time until they can go anywhere with it. I could also spend more time with dispersed family.

Most importantly you could go to your favorite restaurants around the world whenever you wanted.

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[–] square@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I'd want the powers of the Jessica Jones villain played by David Tennant where you can make anyone do anything. But instead of using it to rape and shit I'd make rich people turn their homes into homeless shelters and give their wealth away and I could just walk out of any bank or store with whatever I wanted.

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[–] riskable@programming.dev 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Why bother with a heist? Just turn the tip of your finger into a great big diamond from time to time.

Or more classical: Impersonate a rich person and do some transfers out of their accounts.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Telekinesis but with perfect control. Turn lead into gold, bend light around yourself to become invisible, fly wherever you want to go, fake super strength by lifting stuff with it, make peoples heads explode.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Good luck plucking out the neutrons, protons and electrons off each lead atom, I've heard they don't enjoy staying still

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Hence the "perfect control" part.

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[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So the very first thing you think about when picking a superpower is one that's primary benefit is deceiving people?
Not materialize unlimited amount of food and address world hunger?
Not healing any disease with a touch or better: remotely? Or materialize vaccines with a snap of fingers? Or capturing CO2 out of the air??
We had way too many Hollywood superheroes movies. Now people think a supe is either an invincible warrior or can do super nasty things. No one wants the least spectacular highest good brought to the world powers?

[–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago

Think through the state of the world and the consequences of those things. Unless you're also invincible you will be killed for doing literally any of those things.

Lets just do world hunger. We produce around 2.5x the amount of food needed to feed everyone to the average american caloric intake. That's something we already do. We have the ability to ship any good anywhere in the world within 12 hours, or alternatively, keep a good fresh enough to be sold over MONTHS of transportation (think the fresh fruits picked in South America that is shipped to Thailand to be processed and shipped to china to be packaged then shipped to the US to be sold 3-6 months after they were picked.).

We have no world hunger. There is not a lack of food. There is not a lack of transportation.

Hunger is used as a weapon. Period. That is the totality of the reason that any single person or group of people do not have the ability eat 3 square meals a day.

If you, as (presumably) an American were to just bring food to Cuba, you will be investigated by congress and Trump's DOJ both on criminal charges. (see Hasan Piker currently being subpeanoaed for just filming Cubans and bringing food.)

If you magically could produce infinite food, you have just taken away the most used weapon in world history. This means you are the single most hated and despised person by not only those in power, by but everyone that benefits from those in power, and that's a lot of people, and they own (effectively) all the guns and nukes.

The reason people dream small with superpowers is because, realistically, as long as you don't drastically change the status quo, you're safe.

[–] unabart@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Ok. Valid. However, once you turn into the pen, you’re a pen on a shelf next to a bag full of the stolen money, which I assume the bank employees, that were not traumatized by seeing you turn into a pen, will put back into their drawers. Pen probably confiscated, studied, disassembled.

Gotta rethink that one. Lots can go wrong.

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[–] entheo_a1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

i believe the most powerful super power is mind control, because you can make people believe you have the other super powers, see you using those powers, and then do the thing you needed the super power to do, before forgetting they actually did it themselves

[–] edwardbear@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Lol, lazy ass.

“Yee, I wish for a superpower that makes people think I have a superpower”

“Why”

“Can’t be arsed with the whole flying thing, just rather sit on that couch right here”

[–] riskable@programming.dev 8 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Mind control can't change your sex (or just make it feel better, with fast recovery), make you live longer, or help out when you're having a rough time on the toilet.

It just turns everyone into your slave. You're a villain by default.

More importantly, it's super boring. People with mind control powers can have whatever they want—materially—with basically zero effort just by forcing people to give them stuff. There's no struggle, and if there is any, it's just you sweating or getting a headache while staring off into the distance.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I use my shapeshifting ability to look exactly like myself, simultaneously concealing the ability. No one knows I'm actually me, but not really.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

In a case where you can't pick "changing reality" as a power, "time control" is pretty much the next best thing. Pause time, rewind, fast forward

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Selective time control, so you can pause, rewind, fast forward things independently. Now you've added immortality into the mix.

  • Starting to feel the effects of aging? Just rewind yourself while leaving the rest of the universe in place.
  • Got injured or diseased somehow? Just rewind yourself to before that happened and try again. Or, if it's inevitable, just keep rewinding over and over again to enjoy your good health before that happens.
  • Always keep your perceptions a few minutes ahead of your body/brain. That way, you can never be hurt or killed by surprise -- you'll always see it coming a few minutes ahead of time, and you can either pause or rewind time in order to avoid it.
  • You can keep any loved ones immortal as well, if you choose. Just rewind them to reverse it if they ever age or get injured or even die.

Beyond immortality, it also provides you with other incredibly powerful (and perhaps terrifying) abilities:

  • You can, of course, become incredibly wealthy if you choose. Lottery numbers are your playground. Perfectly timed investment choices are trivial. You can accrue decades' worth of compound interest in seconds. (Do be careful, though. You could probably wreck the global economy if you take this too far.) Robbing banks is so beneath you. How much cash does a typical bank have on hand, anyway? A measly few hundred thousand? You could easily make millions, billions of clean, legit dollars in the blink of an eye. Forget robbing the bank, you could easily own the bank.

  • From an outside perspective, you never seem to need to sleep. And you can definitely never be caught sleeping and vulnerable. You just need to pause time around you whenever you want to take a nap, then resume time when you wake up.

  • It unlocks true 'time travel' -- by pausing yourself and moving the universe forward or backward around you, you can travel freely to the past or the future. And not just yourself, either. You could easily take objects or people with you if you wanted.

  • By extending the 'keep your perceptions a few minutes ahead' strategy, you can gain limited clairvoyance -- always knowing what's going to happen in the future. At least, what's going to happen to and around you in the future.

  • You can now 'teleport' to any location that you could otherwise get to. Just pause the universe around you while you go there, and resume the universe after arriving. Alternately, you could just slow the rest of the universe instead of pausing it entirely, and now you can cosplay as a super-speedster who can move arbitrarily fast.

  • In the (unlikely) event that you actually need to fight someone instead of just using time shenanigans to avoid the fight, you could go back in time and either prevent what made them mad at you in the first place, or kill them while they were young and vulnerable ... or sterilize their grandfather, so they never existed in the first place.

  • If you want to fight someone without messing up the continuity of the universe and potentially creating huge butterfly effects, you can just fast-forward or rewind them specifically. Rewind them until they're a fetus. Fast-forward them until they're a dusty skeleton. Really horrify your enemies by doing that half-and-half -- age regress their top half while accelerated-aging their bottom half. Or just pause them indefinitely and leave them as a helpless statue. You could even troll them by slowing them way down -- let them try to fight you while moving at glacial speed. Laugh at them while the bullet they shot at you takes decades to cross the room. (For extra trauma points, you could slow/pause most of their body, while allowing their brain/sensory organs/vital organs to continue at full speed, so they'd be fully aware of how slow they're moving and able to internally agonize about it for a long time.)

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