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This is in a PR where Shougo, another long-time contributor, communicates entirely in walls of unparseable AI slop text: https://github.com/vim/vim/pull/19413

Thank you for the detailed feedback! I've addressed all the issues:

Thank you for the feedback! I agree that following the Vim 8+ naming convention makes sense.

Thank you for the feedback on naming!

Thanks for the suggestion! After thinking about this more, I believe repeat_set() / repeat_get() is the right choice:

Thank you for the feedback. A brief clarification.

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[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago

TBH I don't really mind when LLMs are used for code reviews. My main issue[^1] with coding assistants is that the people using them don't verify the code they emit thoroughly (that would be too much work. Remember - reading code is harder then writing it) and thus they often push junk into the codebase and blame the AI for the bad quality when it crashes. But with code reviews there is no such risk, because you still have to read and understand the comments and decide on your own how to resolve them.

[^1]: Quality issue - I'm not talking about the ethical issues here.

Some caveats;

  • It must be disclosed that the comment was generated by AI. Disagreeing with a human reviewer (who's usually maintainer) and disagreeing with an LLM are very different beasts.
  • If the submitter disagrees with an AI comment, and the reviewer agrees with the model's initial criticism - the reviewer[^2] need to defend it themselves, not delegate the argument back to the LLM.

[^2]: Regular Open Source etiquette applies, of course. The reviewer is always allowed to reject the PR and ask the submitted to kindly fuck off.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago

Truly nothing is sacred lmaoooooo

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago

least they're using claude and not chatpgpt

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 186 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I spent literally all day yesterday working on this:

https://sciactive.com/human-contribution-policy/

I’ve started to add it to my projects. Eventually, it will be on all of my projects. I made it so that any project could adopt it, or modify it to their needs. It’s got a thorough and clear definition of what is banned, too, so it should help any argument over pull requests.

Hopefully more projects will outright ban AI generated code (and other AI generated material).

[–] Bibip@programming.dev 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

hi, i have strong feelings about the use of genai but i come at it from a very different direction (story writing). it's possible for someone to throw together a 300 page story book in an afternoon - in the style of lovecraft if they want, or brandon sanderson, or dan brown (dan brown always sounds the same and so we might not even notice). now, the assumption that i have about said 300 pager is that it will be dogshit, but art is subjective and someone out there has been beside themselves pining for it.

but this has always been true. there have always been people churning out trash hoping to turn a buck. the fact that they can do it faster now doesn't change that they're still in the trash market.

so: i keep writing. i know that my projects will be plagiarized by tech companies. i tell myself that my work is "better" than ai slop.

for you, things are different. writing code is a goal-oriented creative endeavor, but the bar for literature is enjoyment, and the bar for code is functionality. with that in mind, i have some questions:

if someone used genai to generate code snippets and they were able to verify the output, what's the problem? they used an ersatz gnome to save them some typing. if generated code is indistinguishable from human code, how does this policy work?

for code that's been flagged as ai generated- and let's assume it's obvious, they left a bunch of GPT comments all over the place- is the code bad because it's genai or is it bad because it doesn't work?

i'm interested to hear your thoughts

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

That’s a very good question, and I appreciate it.

I put a lot of this in the reasoning section of the policy, but basically there are legal, quality, security, and community reasons. Even if the quality and security reasons are solved (as you’re proposing with the “indistinguishable from human code” aspect), there are still legal and community reasons.

Legal

AI generated material is not copyrightable, and therefore licensing restrictions on it cannot be enforced. It’s considered public domain, so putting that code into your code base makes your license much less enforceable.

AI generated material might be too similar to its copyrighted training data, making it actually copyrighted by the original author. We’ve seen OpenAI and Midjourney get sued for regurgitating their training data. It’s not farfetched to think a copyright owner could go after a project for distributing their copyrighted material after an AI regurgitated it.

Community

People have an implicit trust that the maintainers of a project understand the code. When AI generated code is included, that may not be the case, and that implicit trust is broken.

Admittedly, I’ve never seen AI generated code that I couldn’t understand, but it’s reasonable to think that as AI models get bigger and more capable of producing abstract code, their code could become too obscure or abstracted to be sufficiently understood by a project maintainer.

[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

this is cool

you should make a post about this somewhere here on Lemmy

people should know about it

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago

Ok, yeah, I’ll make a post for it.

Feel free to share it anywhere. :)

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (11 children)

I like this approach, but how can it be enforced? Would you have to read every line and listen to a gut feeling?

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago

Obviously you ask an LLM if any of it was generated!

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 89 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Basically the best you can do is continue as normal, and if someone submits something that says it is or obviously is AI, point to this policy and reject it. Just having the policy should be a decent deterrent.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Same mindset as "You don't need a perfect lock to protect your house from thieves, you just need one better than what your neighbors have."

If a vibecoder sees this they will not bother with obfuscation and simply move onto the next project.

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[–] Magnum@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago
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[–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 day ago

AI psychosis

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Shougo is Japanese. I’m guessing he communicates like that because he uses translation rather than trying to communicate in broken English.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That's cool and all, but also they obviously are not just using it to translate. Those are an LLM's words, not a human's, and it is painfully clear. It doesn't even seem like a person is "behind the wheel" at all. As soon as someone disagrees with them, they basically just apologize for "getting it wrong" and do whatever that person told them. They actually go back and forth on the naming convention based solely on the most recent comment. It's typical LLM "agree with the person no matter what" behavior.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Okay that’s really strange. I can only speculate on why they’re doing that. I do know that Shougo is a very long-term contributor to vim’s plugin ecosystem. I can’t imagine why he would be doing this if it weren’t just a language barrier issue.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

TBF if the reviewer just quoted Claude at me, I would reply with Claude or ChatGPT.

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 70 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The devs do have my sympathy, they dedicate their time and energy for these projects and start burning out.
The solution obviously shouldn't be drowning it on slop. They should be just slowing down. Vim has been an excellent and functional tool for many years now, it doesn't need more speed.
There are better ways to use LLMs as a productivity tool.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I see this excuse of burn out every time it comes to LLM use, but i honestly do not buy it. You cant tell me every other dev out there just burnt out at the same time in sync with the release of LLM coding assistants. If you use LLMs like this you simply dont care about the project anymore and should move on with your life. Its better for everyone if it gets abandoned by the original dev and forked by ones that care. Sometimes you just gotta let go.

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 17 points 1 day ago

Agreed. They need to take a break at least.

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[–] fdnomad@programming.dev 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's such a monumental waste of LLMs to include these slop phrases.

Employee 1 enters a prompt to send a slop mail that is so garbage it is unbearable to read using a brain.

So employee 2 either summarizes the slop mail using an LLM too or skips obtaining the information entirely and just goes straight to answering by prompting the next slop mail.

I wonder if that's by design - to make interacting with slop so painful that human-to-human communication will not happen without a LLM in between anymore.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I originally meant to leave a much shorter comment; apologies.

I can't code to save my life. However I find your observation interesting. The way I see it, AI, no matter where, is eroding human to human interactions. It becomes the middleman for everything.

It's really obvious with personal research. A couple years ago if you wanted to start say, growing tomatoes in your backyard, you would have searched people's comments on a variety of media platforms, would have read a few books or blogs. You would have asked questions to a bunch of people with some experience, left a like or upvote on people posting photos of their tomatoes, you would have used your own judgement to discern what consisted good quality advice and what not.

It would have taken you days. But all that interaction is very rewarding especially for those authoring comments, blogs, books, and photos of their experiences. Because nobody makes something just to be ignored.

Now LLM does all that process for you. In a matter of seconds. And giving no feedback or interaction to anyone whose information was used. It's depressing, but I'm intrigued to see how it plays out.

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I would like to mirror another commentor and mention that Shougo is Japanese and probably issuing Claude to communicate.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 27 points 1 day ago (4 children)

wtf. i really like vim. is everyone really using neovim instead and there's no good dev maintaining vim now?

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

I never liked vim. This got me to try Micro and now the only time I'm going to use Vim is if I'm forced by a remote system I can't install it or nano on. I may strip it out of my systems entirely. I really don't need something so complicated to edit the sudoers file.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

i use vim keybinds on my web browser too, it's very convenient once i got used to it. but yeah i understand it's not really for everyone.

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 1 points 12 hours ago

I understand it and DEs like sway but keybind life is not for me. If I need more than micro I'll just use a full blow IDE.

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[–] Brummbaer@pawb.social 21 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I wonder what Bram's stance would have been on AI.

Anyway, looks like it's time to learn emacs.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Or just switch to Neovim?

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[–] mrmaplebar@fedia.io 17 points 2 days ago

I'm probably more surprised than I should be that so many programmers are so pathetically lonely and delusional.

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