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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
looks like an amazing project to support
https://codeberg.org/NerdNextDoor/vim
https://mastodon.social/@mrmasterkeyboard/116192873098653079
Yes, a Spite Fork. Those are always well maintained, drama free and stable open souce communities
What infuriates me is that you've got this whole class of people who never contributed shit to the project, don't support it financially, probably don't even submit bug reports for it. But they'll spend some energy to spite-fork it. Energy they always refused to spend acutally helping, now they'll be happy to spend it to contribute negatively to the project.
I guess that's par for the course in this ultra-individualistic timeline but it makes me so fucking sad.
IMPORTANT!!!
Your browser (Firefox and chrome) both have ai code in it! Even using librewolf there's still AI generated code!!!!
Your operating system KERNEL allows ai generated commits! Time to switch from Linux.
Mesa3D also has no strict rules against contributions of AI generated code, so I hope you're happy not using a desktop, or graphics in general
lol
Better make an AI free fork of linux too then.
Can't have all those fancy 7.0 changes in my kernel because some dev used AI to check his code formatting before submitting a PR. I'll stick with my outdated fork thank you very much. Upstream fix for blatant CVE but the fix includes an AI comment? Nooooo thank you.
I mean its not like there's a reject button for pull requests or anything. Anyone could just submit AI slop and we'd never know. Not even from the blatantly failing CI tests.
Didn't Torvald's already chew people out for committing vibe-coded crap? At least I can rest assured the Linux Kernel doesn't have dysfunctional generated code in it.
I think actually on the programming side, we’re in a fairly good spot. I really think that AI will be a tool and it will make people more productive. I think that vibe coding is great for getting into programming. I think it’s gonna be a horrible thing to maintain. So I don’t think programmers go away. You still want to have the people who know how to maintain the end result. I’m a huge believer in AI. I’m not a huge believer in the things going on around AI. I find the marketing and the market to be sick and twisted, and there is going to be a crash, and it’s gonna be ugly.
Linus Torvalds
Vibe-coding =/= actual coding. He chewed out someone for committing code that was simply churned out by an AI without checking if it's actually functional code.
Lemme try find his email...
100% agree, but does your average Lemmy user know the difference between vibe coding vs actual coding using some AI tool? Is vim being vibe coded or are the maintainers just using some AI tools?
So.... typical Linus response to poor code. You'd don't really need a source, I've seen him go off on bad coders more than once, adding AI doesn't really change much.
I mean... He did say something along the lines of being incompetent for using AI. Or that incompetence made them use AI.
I think Linus sees some benefit in an AI tool catching problems in code you've written, but not as a crutch to vibe-code with.
Based
He sort of did the opposite. He chewed people out for trying to put anti AI language into the docs. He said in effect, "We can't tell if AI was used so it's stupid to add anti AI requirements."
Absolutely against AI coded garbage but trusting this person to pick up something as important as vim is also crazy. I’ll swap to another editor that has been tested and is a proven solution. Focus your knee jerk reactions so you don’t end up in another problem.
That's why I use vs code. Definitely no vibe code in there lol There is no escape from micro plastics or AI it seems
Lol, lmao even
Wait, so because vim is allowing code written with AI we are switching to a random fork? The mental gymnastics here are insane once again. Is someone assuming that the vim maintainers are gonna do agentic requests? How is this project gonna handle upstream changes into their own main? Cherry-picking only "confirmed human-only" commits? Decisions like that out of spite, with zero thoughts and just out of principle do not help against slop. You're just adding human slop to the AI slop.
I wonder if maintainers will start using AI coding tools more quietly, if the internet doesn’t have enough nuance to distinguish experienced people using Claude vs idiot tech Twitter using Claude.
It's like people forget emacs exists.
(Please don't tell me emacs has AI now...)
I'm sad I hate to scroll this far to see a sane take. Bad code is bad, AI accelerating the destruction of the planet is bad, but experienced maintainers using the tools that exist is not bad, and trying to fork a project like Vim because of that is insane. Power to them if they actively maintain it, but I don't see that in the cards.
Wait, what the fuck? vim has LLM shit in it now?!?
As far as I understand, they are allowing usage of LLM for developing on vim, aka adding features to the editor.
...motherfucker… -_- The only users I block are agentics.
Well, TIL. I’ll have to be more vigilant going forward. God, this era of tech fucking sucks.
Why can’t projects adding AI just fork a new project with AI?? Call it vimai or something and let people choose it if they want it. Stop ruining things
Wait what? Vim has AI now? Jfc
I think they’re saying before developers started using AI to write the code, not that there are ai features in vim.
