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[โ€“] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 1 points 4 hours ago

Ok, I'm new to looking at replacing my phone with something that doesn't run Google or Apple.

Is there an OS I can use which is a. FOSS, b. European, and c. runs banking apps. Because I basically don't take a wallet anywhere anymore, just my phone. Sure, there are occassions when I take a slimline wallet with a couple of cards, but quite often if I'm making a significant puchase I need my phone to TFA it.

I don't care about cameras or headphone jacks that much. I do care about being able to buy shit.

[โ€“] borQue@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 hours ago

I'm very happy to see that there are fair alternatives to monsters like Google and Apple

I'd love to pay up for a better camera module. I don't want to miss great shots due to a bad camera. Moments with small kids are too precious. Ob the performance front I'm pretty sure I'm past needing flagship level chips

[โ€“] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Phone makers need to understand that a missing headphone jack is a dealbreaker.

Tho it wouldn't be if companies would at least put two usb ports on the devices. I'd be fine using usb wired earbuds as long as I don't have to give my phone one of those dumb splitter tails.

[โ€“] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Even though the reasons for ditching the headphone jack were specious I'd rather have a USB Type C port with video output capabilities

[โ€“] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Yeah idgaf about headphones ports anymore, USB headphones have gotten me spoiled. But a second USB port would be awesome

[โ€“] Stitch0815@feddit.org 3 points 13 hours ago

is a dealbreaker.

*for you

[โ€“] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I would say it's a pretty big annoyance but not a deal breaker to me. USB-C to 3.5 dongles are cheap and not that annoying if you get a flexible one

[โ€“] Imhotep@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

The USB C charging ports on my phones tend to become unreliable over time. It's manageable for charging as you can not move the phone once it's plugged in, but listening to music on the go becomes impossible.

[โ€“] roserose56@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 hours ago

Yea, but it does not work right! And Google, won't fix the old bug where the sound stops and starts every damn time the audio lowers!

Actually this https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/250602/how-to-disable-cutting-sound-to-headphones-at-moments-of-low-volume-during-playb

[โ€“] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 5 points 17 hours ago

I have two, they are flexible, and I find them obnoxious to have to use. I specifically chose my current phone because it has a headphone jack, and I won't make the mistake of missing that again.

[โ€“] Fish@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I disagree. Cables are annoying, especially with something I have to wear on my head. My last headset broke after the cable kept getting tangled. And it wasn't made to be repairable.

Though a second USB port would be fantastic

[โ€“] zarkony@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago

Well good news, you can still do bluetooth on a phone that has a headphone jack.

And it wasnโ€™t made to be repairable.

And wireless earbuds are? How many earbud batteries crap out after less than a year? I really don't think jamming tiny lithium batteries into everything is the more sustainable option here.

Earphone jacks are last resort for me.

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[โ€“] dudesss@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I would legit pay Fairphone extra at this stage if they would ship to Canada, either at my home or at a pickup location like Staples, Canada Post, or Purolator.

[โ€“] wampus@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Agreed. I'm honestly a bit surprised they haven't moved into the Canadian market. Heck, I heard that their international insurance ppl let you buy them in the USA, home of Google Fascists, but you still can't buy them in Canada, a country that's had a significant trend to decouple from US tech for over a year now.

[โ€“] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 2 days ago (5 children)

When will it support GrapheneOS? I'm going to keep using last-gen used Pixels until another company comes up with an alternative.

[โ€“] NGram@piefed.ca 54 points 2 days ago (4 children)

GrapheneOS has some very strict requirements which basically means they will refuse to support anything except Pixel phones. Fairphone isn't in the business of making their own (security) chips so I doubt the Graphene team will ever consider them.

CalyxOS, arguably the next best thing, did have support for earlier Fairphones but that project is sort of in limbo now.

[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 63 points 2 days ago (9 children)

The Graphene team has also been very outspoken about how much they dislike Fairphone for this very reason.

I use /e/OS on my Fairphone 5. It's not a Graphene alternative as it's not a hardened OS, it's just Android without Google. Good enough for me, I'm not afraid of secret agents stealing my phone to extract data or whatever, I just don't want American big tech anywhere near my phone.

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TPM chips are not a mythical thing that only Google makes.

STM makes the ST33 series of TPM that I would trust a hell of a lot more than google to not have a dozen government backdoors.

Microchip, Analog Devices, Infineon, NXP, and onsemi also make TPM chips of varying security levels. Infineon is the premium TPM maker with the highest security if I remember right, a German company.

The issue is they are 3-10โ‚ฌ for the chip alone, which is a significant BOM cost, and it takes a lot of very specific knowledge in firmware and software to actually implement and google probably keeps the android integration methods very hidden. It is very much an intentional vendor lock out.

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[โ€“] Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

This is a graphene problem.

Gos is not suitable until they leave the pixel series.

Written on my pixel 10 that I had Gos on. I never wanted a pixel just a good camera and locked down environment.

People want Grapheneos on insecure phones, made by OEMs with a poor history of security patches, with an unlocked bootloader, and root. I personally say those people should use LineageOS because fundamentally that's not GrapheneOS is. The second you water it down from software that can't be hacked by any state actor to just another OS but marginally more secure the name becomes just another brand.

Im gonna be honest I don't see how that would help if anything it would only make things more confusing. That would require the GrapheneOS devs to maintain a separate and significantly less secure OS for what reason?

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[โ€“] vga@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I feel like I should start looking at shoulder holsters or other extremely cool accessories when phones are this big. How do you guys carry this shit? Cargo pants?

[โ€“] UnfairUtan@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[โ€“] vga@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

So cargo pants? I tried using a google pixel 9 (the smallest model) and found that I cannot sit down when the phone is in my pocket.

Is my penis too large?

[โ€“] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Back pocket

[โ€“] XTL@sopuli.xyz 2 points 13 hours ago
[โ€“] cv_octavio@piefed.ca 3 points 1 day ago

The pen is mighty.

[โ€“] UnfairUtan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

My phone is quite large and fits in all my pants pockets. And they're not cargo

Also penis too large bro what ๐Ÿ˜‚

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[โ€“] ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm posting with one. I like it so far. waiting for the official lineageOS to be released, I'm running unofficial now.

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