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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There is a backup as we work on it as a team and more than one person has access to it. No need to worry.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

This is not an application. It's a website that shows information. Therefore there is no need to trust the code - the same as 99.9% of all websites and your trusted developer will confirm same for you. If you don't want to use a website as you don't trust it because you don't have the source code, you probably have an interesting Internet experience.

So, again: The code will not be open sourced.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Long term: Proceed with improving the database as we do everyday and see where it takes us with minimum overhead to guarantee longevity. So far so good. :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Thanks for the long response which I quickly skimmed.

To cut it short: We opted for this route, are very happy with the result, the feedback and the contributions. You may choose not to contribute or start your own project (as you already checked domains) but we are happy the way it is. The more overhead we generate (new structure, open source), the higher the possibility of failure and wasting money. Right now it's a slim and streamlined project that has little to no costs of running which means we can leave it running for decades to come (if there is still demand). The manual labour is still there but as it's a passion project, we want to invest that time but into the project and not into solving problems we don't face. In the end we are an efficient operation and not a German Behörde. :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

Generally it would be possible for both the code and the data to be open source.

What would be the benefit of open source code?

A benefit would be code contributions that increase security. But as this is a simple website and not an encrypted messenger app people install or something similar, that is a minor concern and we are happy with managing that risk ourselves.

On the other hand, it further adds overhead with potentially no benefit and people who create similar projects (which there are lots of) have it even easier to create a (subjective) user-friendly and great solution. That is not something we want to support as this would further move us away from streamlining that database which leads to inefficiency.

We also noted that each project is quite reserved when it comes to streamlining benefits and there are lots of different communities with different opinions and approaches. We streamline it our way and people may use it or even contribute if they feel like it.

Also: https://www.trevorlasn.com/blog/open-source-is-where-dreams-go-to-die

What would be the benefit open open source data?

People could probably contribute quicker as it would open more approaches instead of submitting our form.

Other than that it would be a nightmare to streamline as people would have lots of opinions about which categories to add, how to structure them, what to add, what not to add, how to categorize entries. We simplify this by giving people the option to suggest whatever category, company and product they want. Then we have a suggestions database, can cluster, validate, collect more info, evaluate and then add it. For us that's a great way of doing same but it's obviously not a perfect way - yet it works very well for us and does not seem to stop people from contributing everyday.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Having this as a point to start (especially when we add new categories that need some entries to start off) is great! Then everybody can contribute to the database once the category and a few entries are in there. :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We double-check all submitted entries, so for us it would still be a lot of work as we don't want to spam the database with lots of companies without a proven online trackrecord for example. Therefore yes, we can work with streamlined data that contains all the fields we ask for in the submission form but the work on our end would be very similar to ensure a certain amount of quality among the entries in the database.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (23 children)

Thanks for your kind words and thoughtful questions! :)

Here’s the quick breakdown:

Why a Company?

In Germany, liability protection is essential for any public project. Using an existing company (a common practice) minimizes personal risk. Many projects operate similarly - they just don’t always highlight their legal structure. We’re transparent because the law requires an imprint, not because we’re "corporate".

Data Ownership

Public facts (e.g., product/company names) can’t be copyrighted. Contributors' data remains public knowledge. We only claim copyright on our own original content and creative work. We also double-check all hints submitted and then create the complete data set.

Why Not Open Source?

We respect open-source ideals but saw other projects struggle with clutter/inefficiency. We opted for a focused, curated approach to keep the database simple and user-friendly which seems to work exactly as intended based on your and other users' feedback.

Why Not Non-Profit?

First of all, we started the project overnight and therefore opted for an existing structure. German non-profits require heavy paperwork and oversight - overkill for a small, revenue-free project that we already invest a lot of time in but want to limit the financial spending. Also: No donations = no risk of mismanagement, which unfortunately happens left and right in the non-profit world.

Therefore personally what I would care about as a user or contributor:

  • How are donations used (if any)?
  • How is the revenue used (if any)? There could be great reasons to generate revenue to further grow the project!
  • Is there transfer of ownership of work that can actually be copyrighted if I contribute?
  • Why is it a company and not a non-profit?

Our Intent

This is a passion project:

  • To support a cause we care about.
  • To learn and experiment with new technology.
  • To offer a streamlined database that follows our vision.

Hope this helps and can be used as a reference in the future as these valid questions came up before and we answered them via other channels in the past.

Although nobody asked here yet: We went with .net as whatever we thought was a catchy name was not available in the .eu domain space. We obviously would have chosen .eu if it was available but people registered all those domain names to then not use same as it often happens on the Internet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the ping! :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Thank you for the kind words! :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Busy days - so the feedback took a bit longer, sorry!

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The next infographic is ready. Any feedback is appreciated!

 

Thanks for the shoutout, [email protected]

If anyone wants to contribute, we appreciate suggestions using the "Submit suggestion" form on the website: https://buy-european.net/suggest

Quick info about our approach: We list both European businesses as well as open source/decentralized solutions (as there is no specific location). We want to support European businesses as well as the idea of open source/decentralized services.

We currently do NOT evaluate the quality of the entries ethically/morally - we simply list companies with a European headquarter. This is because tbh we currently don't have time for more and would want to lay out a framework that is transparent and evaluated by multiple parties to ensure objectivity.

Ideas like evaluating whether the company actually produces either in the EU, in Europe or outside Europe might be factors in the future for a rating (gold, silver, bronze or something similar) but currently the focus is and will for the near future stay on listing all as many European options as possible which is a lot of work.

We also list European companies that are owned by foreign entities as they still fall under European legislation. This will probably not change in the future but similar to the above mentioned a ranking that takes this into account might be added in the future.

Hope that helps.

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