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[–] naught101@lemmy.world 17 points 21 hours ago

Very good take.

I complained to a partner once about something they'd done that seemed vaguely unethical (by my understanding of their ethics). After they apologised, I was still upset, and they said "maybe I'm a little bit shit, just like everyone else."

That really stuck with me. People (including myself) are often OK with accepting imperfections in other people in some spaces, but not in others. It's pretty weird.. Life is messy, even the bits that seems straightforward. And no one has a perfect understanding of any situation..

[–] Bravo@eviltoast.org -2 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

“For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted to them his property. To one he gave five talents*, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.’ His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.’ His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

--Matthew 25:14-30

  • A talent was a monetary unit worth about twenty years' wages for a laborer
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[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world -5 points 9 hours ago

That's Right with a hard R. No thanks

[–] manxu@piefed.social 91 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only thing more important than "do nothing wrong" is to loudly correct those who are doing "almost right" and "in the right direction."

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

I think it's a tossup between "loudly correct" and "vilify as a disappointing libshit."

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world -3 points 9 hours ago

Go away troll bait bot.

[–] confusedpuppy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I had an interaction once where I thought I used double quotes around a word to imply something obvious related to the posted article. A random person got mad at me and claimed I knew nothing about solidarity.

I felt insulted, they didn't know my life experiences up to that point. I chose to ignore my feelings and pressed them to teach my why I was so wrong. They eventually disappeared from replies because they had nothing behind that image of righteousness. Rare win but I'll take it.

If someone put themselves in harms way to punch an authoritarian follower in the face in my defence and also uses slurs I could find offensive to myself, that's not my enemy. That's someone awesome who could use a little more education. Later. When the current situation isn't so wild.

Words are just words. That's not as effective as punching a fascist in face.

[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Reminded me of an old meme I saw in like 2009.

CW homophobic slur

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[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

We are really lacking in fascist faces punched these days, no one can have a civil conversation without them screeching and throwing shit

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

I haved discussions with others here where its people are just not happy with baby steps and want full change right away. Problem is we need to make more friends not enemies with each other.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've started to make a habit on the internet to make amends and give grace to people who get upset in the comments as fast as possible. Textual online spaces are seemingly quite prone to disagreement, so it's a huge help just to mindfully counteract that tendency.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well easy for you my brave little Hitachi wand! Who can stay angry at you!

It helps if you're fun.

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[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ball big. Need lots of hands. Take long time move. Come. Help. Roll big ball with us.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

Also, we don't actually know which way we need to roll it. Some people have strong ideas, other understand the vague direction but there's lots of invisible obstacles strewn across the landscape, and whenever we hit one there are a hundred different people with a thousand different explanations about what the fuck just happened.

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[–] makyo@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

I spent a bunch of time in such spaces before the election and was shocked how much time and energy was squandered with virtue signaling and purity testing. There was literally no room for anything else in some of them.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

obviously a trap set by bougie liberals to try and get me to vote for a Democrat.

but i'm too smart for them

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I would say largest problem with leftist spaces is a little more challenging to identify; it's that leftists are broadly intellectuals or at least identify as intellectual because of effort they put into honoring nuance. And the primary opponent of leftists are conservatives, and they are proudly not intellectual and view people who use the lens of intellectualism and nuance as weak or elitist.

Because it's incredibly difficult to have any kind of meaningful intellectual debate with your opponents, we have all retreated to our safe-spaces and online bubbles, our discord groups and algorithm-driven feeds. We don't even walk in the same environments or view the same media anymore,

So in order for people on the left to feel any kind of satisfaction and feel like their mental strength actually has a use, they find someone else who is ostensibly on the left and attack something that person said or did which they feel does not represent their own leftist values.

Our eternal, infernal infighting problem is because we have an army of head-warriors who have no heads to butt against. Even if there were people on the right willing to have intellectual debates, they're not even in the same talking-space anymore. The only place you can go to have debates are contentious battleground where nobody is even arguing in good faith and just screaming their talking points for audience upvotes. So leftists, being humans, take the easy path and turn on each other to feel like they're making any progress or are involved at all in making things better.

On the right it's much easier to feel like you're part of the movement or doing something for your group, all you have to do is buy a gun or stockpile trumpcoins and canned food or harass someone or get drunk and scream about minorities. It's mindless and pointless but it feels like action. And sadly, more and more people are being turned away by this kind of mental effort and emotional labor of "doing the right thing" so they're getting sucked in by the mindless orcs who have more fun and have easier victory conditions.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

it's that leftists are broadly intellectuals

I used to think this. Then everyone came out about how Kamala didn't get them excited, aka appeal to their emotions. When I pointed this out and that they weren't thinking logically and instead relying on emotions they frankly agreed, saying something something not a robot. And there were proud of it.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Is being an intellectual mutually exclusive with having emotions? Because as far as I know all people have emotions..

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

If you let your emotions dictate your thoughts and actions, I have bad news for you.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Bro, you do it too, you just don't admit it to yourself.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago

Yeah that's what I thought, you're exhibit A.

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[–] WillStealYourUsername@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This one is fun because it could be both about tankies and actual leftists depending on what you believe in.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh it's definitely leftists in general

and then people didnt vote in the 2024 election

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes let's start a 3rd party

wave of downvotes and idiots screaming about RCV even though that's not a disqualifier

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But you’ll continue to support democrats in higher offices until your third party has support in lower offices and a functioning party structure, right?

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

No!!! The lesser of two evils is still evil so I'd rather vote for a weak 3rd party candidate to help secure the win for the more evil candidate

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At first I didn't think you were left enough but you just proved me wrong.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 3 points 18 hours ago

Welcome to the salty spitoon. How left are ya?

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[–] Kennystillalive@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago

The problem is they keep dissagreeing on details and forget, they'll never agree on everything.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I have referenced this post so many times but was never able to find it so thanks

[–] rhvg@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

online leftist

Important things happen offline, online is more or less a distraction.

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Trump is literally a 4chan meme gone too far, homie.

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world -1 points 11 hours ago

still had to happen offline yes?

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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

I don't know if that's really true anymore. Or, maybe more accurately, I think we're in between when that was true in the pre-social media age and when it'll be true again after the social web breathes its last. There are just too many ways that megacorps, bad actors, and foreign agents can manipulate offline activity with online action.

Some of those things are manipulating small groups into large-scale action (see: Qanon), but misinformation and meme warfare also have a measurable effect on election, direct action, etc. Not to mention that local organization is best done online, and that has a very real effect.

Now, is offline action more important than online action? Absolutely, and if you're saying that being an "online leftist" (as an identity) is a distraction, I think I agree with you. But online action is more than just a distraction, and to ignore it is probably counterproductive.

[–] Donjamos@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

That's not only a problem of online leftists spaces. The left has always been pretty busy with discussing what page of the capital is more beautiful written...

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Leftist thought is predicted on dialectical materialism. That means that when someone presents you with material facts which conflict with your ideology, you plug your ears and call them a liberal.

Who invited you here, liberal?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

So like the mod of /c/LibJerk?

[–] known_unknown@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not to ironically quibble, the sentiment is there, but I think "more important to do nothing correctly than something incorrectly" is closer to the mark

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I wonder if the protest-non-voters support this message.

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