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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 100 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You should probably mention that this is an article from 7 months ago.

[–] kevlar21@lemm.ee 29 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] AdamBomb@lemmy.sdf.org 38 points 11 months ago

No, they already stole everything, so there’s nothing left they can use to train and improve further.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago (24 children)
[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

[Citation needed]

If anything the LLMs have gotten less useful and started hallucinating even more obviously now.

[–] NostraDavid@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago

7 months ago: https://web.archive.org/web/20241210232635/https://openlm.ai/chatbot-arena/ Now: https://web.archive.org/web/20250602092229/https://openlm.ai/chatbot-arena/

You can see that o1-mini, a silver (almost gold) model, is now a middle-of-the-road copper model.

Note that Chatbot Arena calculates its score relatively - they'll show two outputs (without the model names), and people select the output they prefer. The preferences are ordered. Not sure what accounts for gold/silver/copper.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 11 points 11 months ago
[–] kadup@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago
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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

nope, AI already kinda peaked what it can do currently.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

3 years ago Sam Altman said the current models hit a wall and the media blocked it out

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 79 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Don’t get my hopes up. I want them to lose as much of their dumb tech bro money as possible.

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

PSA:

Loose is the opposite of tight.

Lose is the opposite of win.

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 3 points 11 months ago

Also lefty-loosy, righty-tighty, or if you want to translate from the Spanish expression "la derecha oprime y la izquierda libera" ("the right oppresses and the left liberates") that's sage advice too.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

Lowes is a store

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[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago
[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I have a theory about this.

The people who had both genius and work ethic made magic. That was the GPT, Dall-E, AlphaGo generation of AI. You can't make magic because you want to have a good career and you did some seminars. You have to do it because you have it burning inside you, and you're in a community of people who all have that type of vision, and all pulling in the same direction you can make things that are impossible before you did them.

(Not that I'm saying AI itself is necessarily a good thing, certainly not in its present trajectory. I'm just saying that getting the tech from recognizing digits to ChatGPT was pretty fucking impressive.)

Now probably about 90% of the people in the field are there because it's a good career. And, the people giving them their marching orders day-to-day are greedy idiots. You just can't make magic that way. All you can do is follow the road that's been laid down. The industry is just throwing orders of magnitude more electricity, money, and engineer time at these still-impossible remaining problems and hoping that'll get them suddenly solved.

Remember when ChatGPT was programmed by competent and humble people (who are now, a lot of them, fired because they fought with Sam Altman), and so it kept emphasizing to people that it was not an AI (meaning an AGI), just a language model? They felt like that was important for people to understand (not that it did any good). Anyway, those days are gone, and with them, the forward progress that people like that can make.

Why? Because we're trying to make magic with career people. It doesn't work that way, never has. It's like trying to start a fire with a bunch of rocks. Rocks are fine. Fire is fine, if a little bit dangerous. But they are not interchangeable.

[–] homura1650@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

GPT, DALL-E and AlphaGo are not the type of magic born from passion. They are the type of magic born by years of researchers doing the mostly boring work of science. Those are career people. They are just career researchers.

The current public AI scene is what happens when commercial interests take over. They can push the current state of the art to its limit, but aren't going to make any fundamental breakthroughs.

[–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Exactly, they are a breakthrough built on top of decades of steadily paced progress. Those decades are conveniently ignored by the commercial interests, who like to act as if those once in a decade breakthroughs are actually the normal pace of research at their company, and the next one is right around the corner.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

the only people ever obsessed with AI, were corporate heads looking to reduce headcount in thier companies, and to suck up more VC money.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Right. And now AI has failed to deliver the promised miracles (as expected) for three years. So now it's time to pick a new hype train to introduce the venture capitalists to.

All aboard!

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

i just went by a convention center, they are still hyping it up with tech conventions every few days, im in the west, so they concentrate all the tech hyping in the west.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 15 points 11 months ago

Yes of course they are at the limit, and because they poisoned the internet with generative bullshit, they can't scrape it and expect improvement, but they are still scraping it, so they're poisoning themselves.

The end of the article has classic snake oil trash. The idea that newer AI could be trained to think similar to how humans think. Yes, great, you know scientists have been working on that for decades. Good luck succeeding where nobody else did. There's a reason that so-called weak AI or so-called expert systems are the ones that we all remember as having lasted for decades.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 months ago

It's worse than that... They are broken. Like, they are all fucking broken.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Shh. Let it happen. Let the poison take hold.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 11 months ago

I don't think it's just the poison, but an inherent limitation on the technology. An LLM is never going to be able to have critical thinking skills.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Quality over quantity will be the next generation of AI models

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Figuring out more efficient models would be a big boost as well.

Lots of improvements over the years, and I'm sure there's a lot more that can be done.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago
[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We're going to need a new BS tech meme for arsehole investors to speculate in. Whats next? I'm guessing something medical. Personalized health care perhaps.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 months ago

I think you're right.

We're due for something DNA based, since they can all grab a cheap copy of the 23andMe data set, now.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I got into AI in 2023 for a few months just to see if I could make sense of it all.

The whole thing as an industry is almost entirely smoke and mirrors meant to confuse, obscuring theft and fraud.

It does have some neat applications and opportunities, (generating templates; storyboarding) but warrants a small R&D team of enthusiasts, not the collective investment and resources of entire nations.

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

What comes after that is the next google/amazon.

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