this post was submitted on 08 Jun 2025
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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Relatively easy, but expensive, problem to solve. We have all the salt water you need. Build nuclear plants and desalinate.

Stop allowing them to use the Colorado River.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I'm pretty sure desalinization doesn't scale. The salt needs to go somewhere.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And it takes a lot of energy

[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

it scales fine (roughly linear at large scale), people just don't want to pay the energy cost because they think farms need cheap water.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Where does the salt go after the water evaporates from the brine? You can't just dump it back in the ocean, the concentration destroys wildlife.

Landfill? Salt deserts? It's gotta go somewhere.

[–] SloganLessons@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Sell it for cheap to barbecue houses

[–] MonkeyTown@midwest.social 2 points 7 months ago

Sea salt as a food additive would get cheaper probably.

[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago

last I checked salt mining is still an industry

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

seawater is not all saltwater, its a bunch of other chemicals in it too.

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Sparking concerns. A-ha. Right. I could have asked why this shit is not banned for this reason alone, but sadly I know the answer

[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I hope you're all morally consistent and don't eat beef, which requires 15,000 litres of fresh water per kilo.

threeduck, you should stop eating beef.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

For all the harm that this current AI craze has caused with its excessive power usage, I don’t get how water usage is a thing. I’ve been in many data centers with water cooled systems and they were all closed loop systems. The water was a heat transport mechanism. The weren’t using fresh water to gather the heat and then just dumping it on the ground. So how is this a problem?

[–] Master@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago

They pump it out of aquifers then when done it goes down the drain to be processed and inevitably evaporated. The problem is we are pumping it out faster than it can naturally the aquifers. This causes long term environmental damage and at some point the aquifer will fail and no longer regenerate.

Welcome to the water wars.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Many of the AI/LLM focused DCs are using open loop systems. It's stupid as fuck but, it's cheap (as a large corporation).

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah I’ve been reading up on this and it’s just stupidly wasteful.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Goose@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

https://tube.blahaj.zone/w/qEcczobJGVGmBe2rbWJkMN

There is air cooled water chillers and water cooled water chillers. Depending on what the companies go with they could have water cooled chillers causing the water loss. Air cooled chillers don't really have that problem because they don't have the same cooling situation. I attached a video of a water cooled chiller

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Had to check image was not AI

[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 2 points 6 months ago

on a more positive note, I like the article thumbnail and how its not flat corporate artstyle art and reminds me of the designs of yesteryear

[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Don’t worry, I’ll stop using my swamp cooler this summer