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[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 102 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (8 children)

Those Solera devices you've got are relatively common automotive IoT fleet trackers. They usually have gps antennas. They talk to the engine and transmission directly over canbus. Then they process that data and report what they see over a cell network. If they see nothing, they report that too with a heartbeat signal and various error codes.

Depending on the model, they sometimes have external cell antennas connected with a mini coaxial cable. Find it and unscrew it all the way, then re-screw it in by only 1 and a half rotations so it'll hang on but barely. Then clip the nearest ziptie so the cable wobbles free. It'll cause the nut on the coax to get a stress fracture in under a year. They will have to replace the gps/cell antenna module and those are like $300 a piece through Samsora. In the meantime you'll get iffy signal responses. Don't let them catch you cutting the zip tie on camera or you WILL lose your job.

Your truck will be in the maintenance shop relatively frequently at the request of whoever reads the reports for repair of that cell module. They won't find anything wrong with it, scratch their butts, then just screw it back down and replace the ziptie.

Unscrew it and clip it again.

[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 66 points 18 hours ago (12 children)

don't let them catch you, you WILL lose your job

Hey director of IT for a trucking company here, i just want to reiterate this part!

Don't fucking do this. Any of this advice. You WILL lose your job and we WILL blacklist you from the industry for this shit. Maybe if you drivers could actually mange your fucking log books and follow the safety regulations we wouldn't need to have ELDs and camera and GPS and fucking canbus monitoring and annual inspections and all of the other """invasive nonsense""" the government requires.

I dont want it either. Its all crazy expensive, annoying to manage, and I have to constantly deal with drivers complaining about it.

Sorry. I'm a little upset with this issue because its a constant issue i have at work. But no there is nothing you can do besides just get another job.

I just want to reiterate it again. Do NOT mess with the equipment your company has in your truck. At best you'll just get fired but I've seen my company respond with legal measures in the past.

[–] mad_djinn@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

I’m a little upset with this issue because its a constant issue i have at work.

maybe find a new job where you don't act like completely garbage manager? or work to find a human centric solution rather than... oppressive digital technologies?

I hope you end up with a neurolink in your skull and are constantly monitored for wrongthink.

[–] expr@programming.dev 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You're the fucking problem. Maybe if you treated people with humanity and worked towards a common solution instead of using technology to drain people's souls, you wouldn't have people that hate the shit you're slinging.

What you do makes the world a worse place to live in.

[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 hour ago

He didn’t say he was management and bought the stuff. He said he worked in IT. So with any power to make decision across a fleet.

[–] mad_djinn@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

you drivers could actually mange your fucking log books and follow the safety regulations

you are part of the reason everyone hates management. the overburden of society by technofascists like you will result in many horrible repercussions down the line.

giving nerds any power over workers was a mistake

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

My dude. How would you like a camera over your shoulder every minute of your workday, recording your every move? What might you do faced with that?

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I work in an office with cameras ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

"I'm oppressed so I must also oppress those I have power over"

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Reading this thread is really selling that dream job.
You all keep doing what you're doing and there will be no drivers left to squeeze out and make their life even more miserable.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 hours ago

truckgpt will be here soon, unfortunately

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

That’s the idea. Replace them with driverless vehicles.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

The IT lackey just trying to make ends meet has no say in this process.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

ah, the just following orders guy

[–] mad_djinn@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

this is a similar argument to the nazis. this is how bureaucracy and management normalize oppressive conditions. a bunch of weak yes-men

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Reductio ad Hitlerum is a really weird thing to pull out of your ass on this particular discussion.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 48 minutes ago

idk man, it only happened like 80 years ago. seems to be more relevant than ever.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 67 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Maybe if you drivers could actually mange your fucking log books and follow the safety regulations we wouldn't need to have ELDs and camera and GPS and fucking canbus monitoring

Those companies would deploy this shit anyways even if the logs were perfect. Anything to blame the employee can and will be deployed.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

Same old shit. Companies treat employees like machines and numbers on a spreadsheet and demanding more and more productivity while paying lip service to rules and regs yet knowing that employees will skirt, bend, or break the rules to meet whatever sterile metric the beancounters set within the expected window.

Don’t meet the metric? Get some bad performance reviews. Start referencing the safety rules that slow you down? Not a team player. Get fired for some nebulous problem.

Most of the time it’s ignored, but when something goes wrong the company just blames the employee for failing to follow regs.

Automated system reporting just keeps the costs down by creating a higher turnover of employees.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 28 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Those companies would deploy this shit anyways even if the logs were perfect.

I want to say that businesses are famous for spending enormous amounts of money to fix a solved problem sarcastically but I've been working too long to believe it.

Still, so much of the problem isn't with the monitoring but the annoying middle-management response of stack-ranking all the drivers. Rather than just playing your hand, big employers are constantly trying to reshuffle and "optimize" staff in order to squeeze out an extra ounce of profit. And the end result is everyone being immiserated in order to give someone with a marginal fluctuation in performance a raise.

Anything to blame the employee can and will be deployed.

Shit rolls downhill.

[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world -1 points 14 hours ago

Look I can tell you that no company wants to spend enormous amounts of money (we spend close to 7-figures per quarter for asset tracking) and pay an entire team of people to micromanage drivers. Plus companies and drivers make less money because they have to actually follow the rules now.

ELDs have been around for a really long time. It didn't become standard until 2017.

[–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 58 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Trucking is so funny. There is an adversarial relationship between the drivers and the office, which you can see in this comment.

The industry is trying to solve safety issues caused by the nature of long haul driving and maintenance of profit in logistics by companies that use their services.

Trucking used to be a way a person could provide for their family, remain independent, and feel in control. Now, trucking is an industry where you are trapped in a moving computer designed primarily to reduce the insurance rates of the company that employs them, because their business practices and demands were so dangerous, individuals truckers had to drive more hours, get paid less for those hours, and literally drive themselves, and other motorists around them when they crashed, to death.

Then they blame the truckers as they race to bottom in hiring. Don't even get me started on nafta. Your industry sucks for the employees who are necessary to keep the economy moving.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 2 points 14 hours ago

Trucking used to be a way a person could provide for their family, remain independent, and feel in control.

Still can. There are still owner-operators, and they have significant control over how they do their job, as long as they aren't caught cooking their books (...which is what most drivers used to do before there were crackdowns, because you got paid per mile). They usually get paid a lot more than fleet drivers, because fleet drivers aren't responsible for the maintenance of the truck.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 32 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

The safe way to fight back is through the trucking unions, which don't seem interested in getting rid of this invasive software.

But if every trucker did this they couldn't blacklist them all.

[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago

Unions aren't interested in pushing back against the invasive software because they know drivers haven't been following the rules.

Basically nobody in the industry wants this. It makes it harder to do our jobs, it's more annoying, and it's crazy expensive. But it's what you gotta do when drivers run 2 or 3 log books.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 12 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is a problem of pushing compliance to a level above the operator in an area where the perfection demanded by policy relies on traffic behaving perfectly, and drivers never experiencing delays or problems, to operate. The only way this goes away is a scarcity of drivers.

Someone who believes they know how to drive will suggest automated trucks, but the accident lawsuits will probably bankrupt the first companies.

[–] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

It would work if you made lanes for self driving trucks.

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 30 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

You could then tie a bunch of trucks together, and have them run on this special lane.

[–] dgdft@lemmy.world 25 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

This is brilliant! You can even let the front truck pull all the others tied behind it so you need fewer working engines.

What if you added guide rails to the lane so the trucks didn’t have to steer?

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 10 points 14 hours ago

I dunno, companies would start cutting costs by firing all but the front driver. Need strong unions in place before that.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 7 points 14 hours ago

And we could manage traffic stops when one is going to cross another street so it can save on fuel for not having to stop!

[–] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago

Woah buddy, you're just talking crazy now.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 2 points 9 hours ago

Because no one would drive in them ever, they would respect the sanctity of the truckpool lane.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 3 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, and you assume other drivers won't drive in the wrong lane

[–] MonkeyBrawler@lemm.ee 5 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Who tf references a truck driver blacklist?

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

HR, always.

This is literally 90% of what they're paid to do.

[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago

This is gonna blow your mind... But other transportation companies...

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 13 hours ago

Truck driving companies.....??

[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Well the whole bit about backing out the nut is to cause it to fail in a manner that looks more like a maintenance problem and not a driver problem. Even when stuff like that only happens on one cab, it's not enough to point at a singular driver.

And yeah all of that advice comes with the rider that "you may be unemployable" afterwards.

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[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

You know there's plenty of control freaks micromanaging everything underneath them even if it pisses off their best people to the point of quitting.

Especially those 1 or 2 rungs higher up the chain who need to make up problems to solve so they can justify their existence and build their profile.

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[–] frozenpopsicle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

So, what I'm hearing is "don't struggle or it's gonna hurt more". I think this advice is horrible.

[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world -3 points 13 hours ago

No. It's two things.

  1. Maybe truck drivers should have followed the rules better and drove safer. Drivers cooking their books have caused enormous amounts of harm and death, and that's ignoring the huge loss of money when a driver crashes because they've been driving for 26hrs straight.

  2. Don't fucking damage company property. This is actually my biggest sticking point for this whole thing. I dont care if you like it or not, the hardware is not fucking yours and the hardware being there is part of your employment agreement. Don't like it? Tough shit buddy take it up with the DOT.

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