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[–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

A democracy, if we can keep it.

Half the voting population doesn’t want to keep it.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

That's the fallacy ..... it was never a democracy

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, it was not half of voting population; go and research how US voting “works”

[–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Where do you think I’m from? More than half the people who got off their ass and went and voted, voted for this self declared dictator. I never said half the country.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago

No, he ended up below 50%. He had the plurality though. If you include RFK Jr. votes with Trump (which some people do for some reason) it'd be over half, but I wouldn't. People voting for him explicitly weren't voting for Trump.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That’s what the congress is for. The problem is that the president can easily bypass it with executive orders.

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Also Congress is complicit.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago

No worries. The kingdoms that replace democracy will be responsible and enlightened. /s

(Sadly, a real thing.)

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think the government is like IT. The people assume they don't need it or as much of it because everything is fine. We're about to see what it's like when they fire half of the IT staff and slash the budget to ribbons.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago

That's a pretty good analogy IMO.

[–] Davin@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The guard rails held last time. Barely. But the thing with guard rails, is that when someone smashes into them, you have to fix them or else they won't hold the next time they get smashed into. And we did fuck all to fix the government after the last trainwreck so there's no guard rails this time. There might not even be a chance to vote in a fix in a year and a half, things may be too fucked by then.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

The guard rails last time where the democrats having a majority in one half of congress. That guard rail is gone.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The Neoliberals are fine with that.

They don't care if they lose, or are in the White House, they just want their half of the corpo bribe gravy train Reagan set up for them when the American people lost their vote on the shape or priorities of our economy.

Standing against the capital markets ending the country and the planet itself for short term profits would cost them those bribes. Those bribes are why most of them are in politics.

They had no incentive to fix the guard rails. Biden/Pelosi/Schumer still see Republicans as their esteemed opposition, aka partners in their culture war stoking divide and profit grift, and those with a desire to help us become a society again like AOC and Sanders as their enemies.

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/12/aoc-pelosi-oversight-committee-connolly-raskin Neoliberal priorities The month before Trump took power. Assembling Guard rails to their left, exclusively.

https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775 Neoliberal priorities in general.

Honestly I see Biden's parting comments, not actions but comments after a career of enabling oligarchs, as latent guilt by a senile old man who was an OG neoliberal sellout to the Reagan capitalist coup.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago
[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The people have to be the adults

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

True. But hard when they've only ever been in a daycare.

It's interesting the maturity, views and domestic priorities of an American that has travelled to other parts of the globe and one that has never left. To some, the daycare is their world, so it's hard to imagine them acting as though they're in "the real world".

The daycare relies on that.

[–] einlander@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

"Lord of the Flies" type feeling.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was born in a war, in the third world. I often say that Americans wouldn’t be so gung ho about war if the war was fought on their soil for once. They’ve had it nice and cozy, using other people’s homes as battlefields and policing what everyone else is doing globally.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

I don't think it's a war thing at all. America was THE world power, and there were a lot of people working against American ideals because it was the largest economy/country that could fight back, but if you look around, even countries that have seen war are struggling with the rise of the right. Brexit, the AfD, and Poland/turkey in general, not to mention Russia have all shown that what's happening in America isn't America specific. There's a collection of bad actors everywhere and it's happening regardless of if a place had seen war or not. Governments everywhere are being corrupted by the wealthy and/or being dismantled in favor of religious authoritarianism/nationalism.

If anything, you're seeing Trump pull back from war, and soft and hard power that would prevent war, and it's in an effort to lessen Americas impact on the world stage.

[–] Franklin@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've been asking myself since i turned old enough to vote, what the fuck happened to America's collective spine?

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Another big part is that Americans have been taught that protesting is the only valid method of affecting change. Our history books spend a lot of time talking about MLK’s peaceful protests. It totally glosses over all of the violence and angry mobs that were the other side of the same coin. My history book in high school only had the Black Panthers as a footnote.

The government has a vested interest in not teaching Americans that violent protest is effective. It’s like the history books cover the American revolution, and paint the revolutionaries as proud patriots who were justified after dealing with an oppressive monarchy. And then there’s a hard pivot towards “oh and also violent protest is never okay, and you should just chant at your local park instead.”

Hell, look at the comments sections of any protest coverage, and you’ll see people blatantly stating that they’d make a point of running over protestors who blocked a highway. There are plenty of people who fully believe that protest is only supposed to be directed at the government, and should never inconvenience the citizens.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If someone believes that USA was "blessed with stable government", then ofc they believe that some daddy is going to save them. These delusions are closely related.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 11 months ago

Barring civil religion, the USA has had a relatively stable government during its history.

The country is on its second basic law since its founding, with the current basic law being in force for over 200 years.

There has been only one civil war and that war is long outside the memory of living Americans.

There was a recent national coup attempt in 2020, but the transition of power that the coup was trying to prevent still occurred.

National borders haven't been seriously threatened in the lifetime of its citizens, with the last loss of territory of the Philippines being carried out as a planned internal political matter.

You'd be hard pressed to find another country with that record.