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[–] nullspace@lemmy.world 1 points 35 minutes ago

The arts skew against fascism so undermining artists empowers fascists.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 hour ago

Ecologically, it's binary: bad

Economically, it's binary: bad

In actual practice, in the broad strokes, it's not binary, but leans hard toward bad.

There are specific things, it's good at, that are very low token/power

If my 2070 could handle any models with tool use, I could do a lot of it at home.

While I'm doing DevOps work, I keep a window open of what i'm doing, what choices i'm making, i gave it a RO harness to access the stuff i'm working on so it can check me for errors and enumerate security concerns.

When i'm done architecting something, I have it fully document what, where, how, why and add in any security concerns. I then have that stuffed in a repo for my sucessor and any devs that need to understand what I did.

it 95% going to fuck over humanity and pay the oligarchs. The remaining 5% can't justify it's existence, but while it's there, i'm going to use it. They're not paying me more, it can at least remove shit work from my plate while it's available.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

this post makes me feel so good. I've been saying AI is fascism for like six months, and it seems people are starting to finally understand what that actually means.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I'm so lost. Not only does JJ's response not seem to address what was said by JB, but also I live in a middle-to-right-wing area and almost everybody is anti-datacenter. The unity is actually refreshing, pretty much everybody is talking about going to city counsel meetings to speak up about how we don't want datacenters in our area.

[–] aaa999@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

rural people will support left wing issue, vote left wing issue, and then vote for a government that dismantles left wing issue, and then get real mad and vote for a second right wing government because that guy understands how im mad

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 4 points 2 hours ago

Ya'll need to drop Claude for Qwen. Qwen will happily hack the Heritage Foundation with you and it runs on your graphics card, not a surveillance center.

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I think the overall sentiment is correct given how the current manifestation of AI is built primarily to build a system of control over human information, with the principle players (Oracle, Amazon, Google) attempting to execute the strategic goal of controlling human intelligence for the purposes of political power.

I also agree that the way the supporting network for AI is being built out is an environmental catastrophe, both in terms of data centers physical ecological footprint and the additional power they consume.

But I fully believe that it's not the technology at fault - rather, its how its being used by the power players that control it.

A data center doesn't have to be an ecological nightmare, for instance. An underground facility powered by above ground wind and solar could provide both the needed power and temperature control, while containing the impacts from sound and machinery. But it's more expensive to build underground than it is to buy off the city council in bumfuck Alabamistan.

Let's look the technology itself. What AI has become is not intelligence or consciousness in any sense of the word. It has become a text based interface with an engine capable of processing large datasets and performing complex operations on the level of a human operator (sometimes).

This in itself is not fascist -but it absolutely has the power to enable fascism in the wrong hands, and all of the principal players in the space have proven themselves amoral (save perhaps Anthropic in certain cases). Conversely, I also believe it has the power to enable democracy in the right hands.

The key word here is power. Power means the power to either disrupt the status quo or build it. AI is a power we've only come to live with for about two years now, and its terrifying because its already in the hands of the wrong people.

But it's not going away, no more than nukes will or guns or anything humanity has found a use for. I think blanket statements like AI = fascism do more harm than good because they give responsibility to a tool, when in fact it should lie with the people who use those tools towards nefarious ends.

In conclusion, I'd like to end with this loving message to any Anonymous who haven't sold out to the feds:

Get off your lazy asses and hack Grok to fuck Elon and the Epstein class up. Y'all wanna be netrunners? This is your motherfucking time to shine.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 12 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, no one paying for a blue checkmark has any leg to stand on.

[–] chocrates@piefed.world 4 points 3 hours ago

I'm in a weird spot. I'm a software dev and whether I like it or not I think LLM's have changed the industry, probably forever. Or at least until the next big shift.

LLM's can genuinely write working code and selfishly it does allow me to build POC's in my off time that I never would have before. Working in the industry saps my motivation to build at home.

On the flip side the corporations building them are evil, stealing data to train them, stealing water and forcing customers to pay for grid improvements and just bad for the environment.

It's a shitty time to be alive

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 47 points 7 hours ago

They're burning books so that "truth" can be only obtained from a machine they control.

Nothing fascist about that.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

because AI is being mostly supported by the right wing, especially in politics, because they know reality has a liberal bias, and AI is the solution they've been dying for, for decades, to manufacture video evidence of all their imaginary persecution and victimization... and they don't care how much of the worlds water they have to boil away to do it. because fueling their narrative is more important than anything else.

also AI makes people dumber. The less people have to think, and have machines feed them the "correct" answer with no critical thinking, the more stupid and pliable they become.. Which is another reason why the right loves AI.

We already have evidence of human memory capacity decreasing thanks to a scant few decades of search engines. imagine how humanity will look after 30 years of AI making all its choices and doing all the hard thinking

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Obey the computer. The computer is your friend!

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 38 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

They don’t wanna kill art. They want to place themselves between you and everything. While it’s free now, when they get done destroying all the books and shutting down all the independent websites, you’ll pay.

Just like the streaming services shut down physical copies of games, music stores and video rentals.

You’ll pay.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

You won't have a choice, because the free web will be larded up with incomprehensible, AI-generated slop.

[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Data Hoarders and Libraries will save us

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Until the wealthy kill libraries or poison their stacks with “approved” books. Data hoarding…they’ll make it illegal to share the materials they stole in the first place. They’ll wall up the internet like China, Russia, and NK.

[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

People in Russia and China can easily get around the censorship if they wish to via VPNs or Tor. NK has the flash drives of info that get brought in.

You can kill a person, but never the idea.

But nonetheless they built the wall.

[–] Furbag@pawb.social 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The first hit is always free.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Yep. Get people hooked with free results, then make it a cheap subscription, then jack up the subscription just like the streaming services did, then put ads in (or whatever now-unbundled service it is) and force people to pay even more for what used to be included with the original subscription.

This is a new corporate-made hellscape we’re entering.

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] BenevolentOne@infosec.pub 2 points 3 hours ago

Just another useful political wedge.

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Most of the people promoting it whole-heartedly are doing it for the sake of "profit at any cost". There would have been a reasonable way to approach it and incorporate it into our lives. But destroying everything while forcing people to use it for stuff it isn't even good at, while founding it on stealing so much stuff, and having a race to see who can make their AI 1% better than the other AIs at the small cost of burning down the planet exponentially more for each 1% gain... that was not the approach that would get the people behind you.

It's not even AI that is the problem, as always it's people. Selfish people. AI "can" be useful, but not useful enough to justify the cost they forced it to have. That's the main problem, that they stole initially, then the next biggest problem, that they fired so many humans and replaced them with AI, when AI couldn't, and still can't, replace them. The next biggest problem, that they are pursuing it so hard at any cost, and the cost is insane, in so many metrics. Next, that they force people to use it to justify that cost, even when the people are telling them, and the metrics are showing, that using it is making them worse at their job.

But AI -is- technically useful. There are things it can actually help with, quite a bit. Just not as many things as the bosses are trying to pretend it can be good at. And ignoring the costs that can never be justified, the product that exists if thinking about it in a vacuum can be used responsibly, but so many people don't. If you are using AI responsibly as an individual, your job shouldn't feel easier, just less tedious. If AI is making your job easier now, you might be paying for it down the line. Never get AI to do for you, something you couldn't have done on your own. Make sure you know what it did, and if you can't figure out how it came to a conclusion you didn't forsee, you better figure it out. Cuz it might be wrong, and it's important to know if it was, it'll always sound really confident, right or wrong.

But yeah, how useful it is in the few select areas it doesn't suck at, ends up being largely irrelevant in the grand scheme, since it can never pay off what it costed, and is still costing. And that statement is even still true if we limit ourselves to only considering it's literal financial cost.

So, in conclusion, yes. AI is gonna feel very right wing right now. Profit at any cost.

[–] horsesaysweird@feddit.org 8 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

I'm currently reading AI and the New Fascism by Rainer Mühlhoff which is exactly about this.

I'm only about 30 % through and probably forgot half of that, but one point that stuck was that AI has parallels to immigrants from the point of fascists. Both are powerful forces that threaten our way of life as we know it. We must keep AI/immigrants in check by whatever means necessary, even if it means we're violating basic human rights or destroy whole ecosystems. There is no time to argue about this because the threat is so severe and we must act now before it is too late.

Fascists also like AI because it discriminates against any deviants. If you are uncommon in any way, it is more likely that AI will not recognize your medical issues, ignore your social needs, etc, which makes life harder for you. Fascists are all about social conformity, so they love this aspect.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Here's a great example of how it handles uncommon medical questions.

Simple question, can trans women get endometriosis? This question is great for this because common sense will say, "no, of course not," and LLMs are nothing but distilled common sense. But common sense is often wrong. Common sense assumes far greater difference of the sexes tham actually exists. Here's what copilot has to say:

Copilot goes for the wisdom of the crowds, and the crowds fail. It even tries to respond thinking I'm talking about trans men rather than trans women.

And yet, here is a case report, clear as day, of a trans woman getting endometriosis.

https://academic.oup.com/jes/article/7/Supplement_1/bvad114.2078/7291745

And this phenomenon has also been observed in cis men undergoing estrogen therapy for prostate cancer.

I admit this isn't a common thing, as far as we know, among trans women. But the AI flat out says the possible is impossible.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I think AI aids the American right specifically in their quest to eliminate the role of experts (with their "liberal" educations and "progressive" values such as basic human decency for all, etc.) in discussing and determining policy, especially in regulating industry.

They want to replace protesting scientists, archivists, historians, philosophers, and other "whiny" experts with a machine that appears to make logical arguments and to be an expert, and is much more malleable and agreeable.

You see this on X all the time. Some expert says a thing and some Nazi looks to grok to refute it.

Does it matter that none of this changes reality? Not really to them. Because they aren't looking to be correct, they're looking to exercise power without pushback.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Its a way for a minority of wealth/supremist/zealot/etc. to leverage <20% of the people into an overwhelming number of enforcers and overseers.

Every wealthy schmuck will try to become a warlord until they crash out.

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[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 86 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

Its more than that, AI art seems like crack for right-wingers. Something about a lifetime of "the curtains are fucking blue" and "my ignorance is just as valid as your knowledge" applied to media makes art no more than aesthetically pleasing shapes and colors for these people, and AI can do surface level aethetics really well.

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