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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

By bringing non-starters at the negotiations, it's maga themselves that suspended trade talks. They never wanted to negotiate and just wanted to waste everyone's time.

[–] thefool@sh.itjust.works 50 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I think a digital services tax may be in order

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Repeal Canada's DMCA harmonization.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Porque no los dos?

[–] Canajan@piefed.ca 20 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I’m not an IT person, but there has to be options for at the very least government to move away from Microsoft and google. We surely have IT people here in Canada, make it a national security tie, which it is, and develop our own tools. We need to stop relying on the Americans all together.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Instead, they are signing deals with Palantir, whee

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bill C-22 and others that are being forced through and almost law basically increase dependence and sharing with US government and private companies, and we are going to be seeing Flock cameras in Canada... more than we already are.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Deflock runs nicely on an esp C6. I haven't seen any of them out here on the west coast but will get them rekt as soon as they show up.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

The first one in Quebec was torn down. every government agency except local police said they didn't do it. The local police said 'we have no idea' instead of 'we didn't do it'. Which probably means they did do it.

[–] castle88@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

Instead we extended the deal with MS for 7 years. I don't recall if it was this year or last but since all this started.

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[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And an export tax on potash and oil.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 17 points 3 days ago (4 children)
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Canada imports electricity from the US, because it's cheaper.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=63684

We buy and sell different times of the year.

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[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 66 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe the fucking Canadian paper can link copies of the PM's statements rather than a link to Shitter-X. The PM's office typed the dam statements out as a press release AND also posted them to Shitter-X. So the actual messages are out there.

Wow I found them. They have a whole bunch of them. Almost bike they are a professionally run office and not a child spamming stuff on social media for likes.

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 69 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

A telling excerpt from the PMO statement:

"They [Canada's negotiators] have worked hard, in good faith, to defend the interests of Canadians throughout these negotiations up until the very last minute. However, last-minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms were unfair, uneconomic, and called into question the reliability of any deal."

I sense that Team Donnie Dementia can't keep themselves from renegotiating their own deal before it's even made.

[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 48 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It was always going to be that. You can't negotiate or trust who continuously bargains in bad faith and readjusts goalposts. We're not a fucking vassal state!

They thought we'd be so desperate to sign a deal to avoid tariffs that we'd just sign whatever the asked at the 11th hour.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Dementia is very significantly advanced. A Narcisist liar forcing all minions to believe his own lies transitions to dementia by total absurdity of the lies, and strategy delusions to win anything.

The bad: SAVE voter rigging act where his hick redneck base don't have the airport IDs they would need to vote, to falling for Netanyahu manipulation into a collapsing war

The ugly: Pushing South Korea and Canada away through absurd demands from joining the war (US desperation for SK weapons they are untrained on) to formalizing colonial subjugation before ink is even dry on other concessions.

The pure dementia: 20% toll/tariff on all shipping through SoH. SoH is US territory. "Economic D-day but details come later" against entire world. Blockade certain to destroy economy prior to mid terms in addition to risking more direct alliances with Iran and against the US, and certain to unify Iran to wait for his impeachment.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What a wild day.... this morning the news was that we were about to give in to a lot of stuff and we were mad at carney

Now it seems the PM has shown he has a spine and seemingly redeemed himself

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He was getting played. Of course they were going to throw in crazy shit at the 11th hour, but Carney should have seen this coming.

Trump needs a deal before the US midterms. Just let the tariffs happen for two months and come back to a deal when Trump's balls have been cut off at the midterms.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Of course they were going to throw in crazy shit at the 11th hour, but Carney should have seen this coming.

Just because he didn't publicly state that he expected it, doesn't mean it was a surprise.

Carney and the negotiating team know who they are dealing with. They know more about who they are dealing with than any of us armchair quarterbacks yammering on social media.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 days ago

Only the idiots were β€œmad at Carney”. That was all fake rumours and grandstanding by American media outlets. It was never released about what was in the deal.

[–] bowreality@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 days ago

Rumour. Let’s not call that news.

[–] rozodru@piefed.world 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

sooooo US alcoholic off shelves again?

[–] imvii@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I hope so.

Personally, I don't buy the stuff. Never really did. But I love how the Americans get bent out of shape over us not selling it.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Kinew said its not going back on the shelf in the foreseeable future.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They could do some pretty asymmetric stuff. Order tne entire government off Xitter and Facebook for instance.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

Every Canadian institution should be off X.

[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

Or sue Facebook and Xitter out the wazoo like other countries are doing.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

All right, Carney got saved from himself

Remember that all of the "Carney gonna surrender" newspapers are US owned.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Or is he one of those rare politicians who listens to the people of the country and shifted gears accordingly? While some will suffer and some will despise the lack of a deal, most Canadians are collectively digging in for the long haul in a show of support.

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[–] OliveBrittle@piefed.ca 14 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Cool, so what we already knew was going to happen, happened.

Colour me shocked. Glad to know we wasted so much time trying to negotiate with what may as well be a bunch of shit-flinging apes when we could have been putting more focus in more deals with the EU, establishing CANZUK, and literally any other endeavour that doesn't include the U.S..

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

They think we're fucking idiots. The whole US government is corrupt with chronies making billions off chaos, whether it's the middle east or Canada. So every Monday the US has a deal with Iran and by Wednesday they are bombing the straight. We watch gas prices bounce up and down 20 cents a litre daily.

Trump does not want a stable deal with Canada. He didn't want it in his first term, he doesn't want it now.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 days ago (6 children)

It's not a waste of time. We need to do what we diplomatically can (while making other plans).

[–] OliveBrittle@piefed.ca 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You can't really do anything diplomatic when the other side continually showcases they lack any respect for diplomacy whatsoever.

The moment the man in charge literally called himself an idiot when asking who'd ever sign a deal like CUSMA, it was an admission that they don't care. We got hit with tariffs for reasons that weren't based on facts. We got rid of the digital services tax as a concession already. We already had the CRTC roll back a decision to triple financial contributions to Canadian content from online streaming services. Then came the Gordie Howe Bridge dispute where we made concessions for tolls on a bridge we paid for. We were going to concede even more with the removal of alcohol bans.

Yet, it's just now that Carney and the Liberals realise that this isn't worth it? Any progressive in this country could have told you this from the get go.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

You can't really do anything diplomatic when the other side continually showcases they lack any respect for diplomacy whatsoever.

The Americans aren't the only ones to consider.

Everyone other country who Canada (and the USA) has a deal with, or is negotiating with is also watching.

They can see who is being reasonable and diplomatic, and they can see who is being a shit flinging monkey that can't be trusted.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

when we could have been putting more focus in more deals with the EU

That has already been happening since Trudeau was PM.

The government can do more than one thing at the same time, y'know.

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