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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 141 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Bare minimum they should be made to stop genociding before they're allowed back in.

Russia, Israel and China should all be treated the same.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 70 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Russia, Israel and China should all be treated the same.

Sure. The same as America.

Sounds reasonable to me.

[–] Lehmuusa@nord.pub 19 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)

The Russia, Israel and China are all doing their genocides on a scale far bigger than what USA is currently doing.

Therefore, be careful not to make it look like "these don't need to excluded because USA isn't". Perfect is the enemy of good!

But otherwise I do agree: USA has no place in any international sports events as long as its behaving like the ass it's been for at least the past 50 years.

[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I'm sure Cuba thinks the blockade on it is totally fine and doesn't constitute a similar crime like Israel withholding aid to Palestinians. Or attacking a sovereign state and kidnapping it's leader. Or attacking a sovereign state and killing multitudes of civilians. And that's just the past year.

I agree Russia, China, Israel bad - but to think the US isn't so fucking far up there with them, not just now but historically, is really not giving enough "credit" where it's due.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

The Russia, Israel and China are all doing their genocides on a scale far bigger than what USA

American Exceptionalism strikes again.

You've got Americans blowing up hospitals and daycares in Iran, shooting up fishing boats off the coast of Venezuela, sieging Cuba to the point of mass starvation, and facilitating genocides from Libya to Afghanistan. But the pre-programmed western response is "I think the other countries are worse!" That's all that matters. You heard the other guys were worse.

[–] osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't know if it's American Exceptionalism in this case so much as a failure to adjust to current year. That argument could have been made with obama-era Amereica but not today.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That argument could have been made with obama-era Amereica

Barack Obama Is A War Criminal

During his presidency, Obama approved the use of 563 drone strikes that killed approximately 3,797 people. In fact, Obama authorized 54 drone strikes alone in Pakistan during his first year in office. One of the first CIA drone strikes under President Obama was at a funeral, murdering as many as 41 Pakistani civilians. The following year, Obama led 128 CIA drone strikes in Pakistan that killed at least 89 civilians.

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The drone operations extended to Somalia and Yemen in 2010 and 2011, resulting in more destructive results. Under the belief they were targeting al-Qaida, President Obama’s first strike on Yemen killed 55 people including 21 children, 10 of which were under the age of five. Additionally, 12 women, five of them pregnant, were also among those who were murdered in this strike. These blundered acts of murder by not only President Obama, but the U.S. government, are morally reprehensible.

Even more civilian casualties came out of Afghanistan throughout Barack Obama’s time in office. In 2014, Obama began removing troops currently deployed in the country. However, instead of this action by the president being one in a pursuit of peace and stability in the region, it only acted as an opportunity to drastically increase air warfare. Afghanistan had war rained upon them by U.S. bombardment, with the administration viciously dropping 1,337 weapons on Afghanistan in 2016. In total that year, the Obama administration dropped 26,171 bombs (drone or otherwise) across seven countries: Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan. The U.S., in cooperation with its allies including the Afghan government, killed 582 civilians on average annually from 2007 to 2016.

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With the exception of the wars themselves, the claim that former President Barack Obama is a war criminal also lies within the double-tap initiative. Double-tap drone strikes are as disturbing as they sound; these attacks are follow-up strikes on first responders as they rush to the bombed area trying to assist any survivors. In 2012, an attack on the Shawal Valley aimed at Taliban commander Sadiq Noor reportedly killed up to 14 people in a double-tap drone strike. These attacks are both morally and legally reprehensible, as they are conscious acts of murder against civilians.

So much of what Obama presided over was an extension of the Bush, Clinton, and Reagan policies which were themselves extensions of our wars in Vietnam and Korea. What separates Obama from Trump largely boils down to volume. But the policies were no different than Putin's illegal actions in Crimea and Chechnya. Or Netanyahu's engineered famine in Gaza and the West Bank.

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[–] Aceofspades@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So we can do genocide as long as it's only a little genocide?

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

That wasn't a defense of the US. It was pointing out that while the US is bad, others are worse. They even closed out saying they agree US shouldn't be allowed in internationally competition. Nobody should be genociding, some are genociding harder than others, all should be banned.

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[–] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If we expand to concentration camps, we can add at least USA, France (I guess all of Europe contracting with other countries to handle migrants) that I know off. And I think that Canada does not really care about its native people when they go missing, so we could add it to.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

That comment kind of seems to distract from the genocides and that kind of minimizes them no?

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The US is for sure trying to silently genocide a ton of people. We're several red flag alerts into the trans genocide, and the US is openly obsessed with white supremacy.

Canada has a very VERY rough history of indigenous treatment, but what's France's deal today? I can't say I know that one

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago

Should be rule that only countries that are not the agressor can participate. So no USA, Russia, Israel, etc.

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

The bare minimum should be to have no Olympic Games. It's ultranationalist propaganda, and a cursory glance at the Wikipedia articles on the first and second World Wars should be sufficient to convince oneself it's a bad idea to promote the idea that nation states should compete against one another as adversaries.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)
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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

... And the US? Kinda missing from that list. Same for Israel and Iran as well if we start making a list.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've already included Israel as they are actively genociding the most people at the moment.

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 80 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, Israel is also still in, which says a lot about the ethical standards of the Olympic Committee

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

What is attacking civilians and a little genocide among friends?

[–] Lydon_Feen@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

IOC and FIFA, sitting in a tree...

B-E-I-N-G-P-I-E-C-E-S-O-F-S-H-I-T

First comes greed

Then comes cash

Then comes bribes

Hidden in a stash

[–] czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Don’t forget the FIA! Probably in the bushes masturbating.

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[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

From here I would blame people who keep watching the Olympics.

Just like I blame those who keep watching football even after all the FIFA bullshit.

Corporations will do anything they can to get away with with profits and so far people have been good little milking cows

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[–] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

countries at war should be banned from participating

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Cheaters should be banned, but other than that I don’t see why ban anyone at all.

[–] Ougie@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Because in Greece there was truce during the games. It's part of the rules.

[–] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

to have another reason to avoid wars

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[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Russia should remain banned. However in fairness many other countries should also be banned. How can Israel or the US be allowed if Russia isn't? Ukraine if fine, they are only defending themselves and are not the aggressor. Some others are harder to determine. As long as the US is allowed, there really isn't any high ground to use for excluding other countries.

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[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 weeks ago

"You're still just as bad when we banned you, if not worse, but we kinda forgot about it at this point, so...buddies?"

[–] treehugger6@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Well, if Israhell is allowed to participate, IOC clearly has no morals and integrity

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago
[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago

Well, talking about standards... Both the FIFA and the Olympics love to be hosted by dictatorships, corrupts governments and countries using slavery to build the stadia. Next to that they don't ban Israel, the US or China so when it comes to human rights, war crimes and crimes against humanity, they have no moral compass.

[–] CyroSignal@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

History is repeating, 90 years later and fascist country is organazing olympic games, Donald Trump will wellcome Vladimir Putin in next olympic games ("Hitler meet Mussolini" moment). I would be very worried if I were Jewish, Roma, Slav, communist, gay, opposition.

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[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

Also here in the Baltics we're no longer allowed to host any events that are qualifiers for the Olympics because we refuse to let Russians in. Some were already moved to other countries.

[–] Tolc@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

they couldnt ban israel and US so they unbanned russia

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