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Bare minimum they should be made to stop genociding before they're allowed back in.
Russia, Israel and China should all be treated the same.
Sure. The same as America.
Sounds reasonable to me.
The Russia, Israel and China are all doing their genocides on a scale far bigger than what USA is currently doing.
Therefore, be careful not to make it look like "these don't need to excluded because USA isn't". Perfect is the enemy of good!
But otherwise I do agree: USA has no place in any international sports events as long as its behaving like the ass it's been for at least the past 50 years.
I'm sure Cuba thinks the blockade on it is totally fine and doesn't constitute a similar crime like Israel withholding aid to Palestinians. Or attacking a sovereign state and kidnapping it's leader. Or attacking a sovereign state and killing multitudes of civilians. And that's just the past year.
I agree Russia, China, Israel bad - but to think the US isn't so fucking far up there with them, not just now but historically, is really not giving enough "credit" where it's due.
Is your counter-argument seriously "I'll now compare Palestine to Cuba"
1- I'm not comparing, there's no comparison of a decades long genocide. I'm drawing a parallel that blockading of civilian used goods for an entire population is inherently evil/bad. It didn't all of a sudden become evil post-2023.
2- it's not a "counter-argument". Someone made an opinion statement, not an argument, and I am making the argument.
American Exceptionalism strikes again.
You've got Americans blowing up hospitals and daycares in Iran, shooting up fishing boats off the coast of Venezuela, sieging Cuba to the point of mass starvation, and facilitating genocides from Libya to Afghanistan. But the pre-programmed western response is "I think the other countries are worse!" That's all that matters. You heard the other guys were worse.
I don't know if it's American Exceptionalism in this case so much as a failure to adjust to current year. That argument could have been made with obama-era Amereica but not today.
Barack Obama Is A War Criminal
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So much of what Obama presided over was an extension of the Bush, Clinton, and Reagan policies which were themselves extensions of our wars in Vietnam and Korea. What separates Obama from Trump largely boils down to volume. But the policies were no different than Putin's illegal actions in Crimea and Chechnya. Or Netanyahu's engineered famine in Gaza and the West Bank.
yeah, what a lot of statesians fail to gather is that regardless of how our internal politics change depending on which party is in power, our international politics are generally consistent.
So we can do genocide as long as it's only a little genocide?
That wasn't a defense of the US. It was pointing out that while the US is bad, others are worse. They even closed out saying they agree US shouldn't be allowed in internationally competition. Nobody should be genociding, some are genociding harder than others, all should be banned.
Where, exactly, do you think Israel's money and weapons and bombs come from?
Also, add (US Ally) Saudi Arabia to the genocidaire list, given their sponsorship of the RSF.
Pffft 8000 civilians killed in Iran together with their entire government doesn't even count.
That's within u/Lehmuusa's acceptable limits. Invading and kidnapping the leader of Venezuela under false pretense is just another day of the month, and blockading and starving a country for oil for no reason is just an example of how might makes right.
AFAIK we do not have verification that more than 8000 Uighurs died, so it seems to me that USA deserves to be on that list not less but MORE than China. Also I haven't heard about China bombing girls schools.
The big difference between the Chinese War on Terror in Xinjiang and the American War on Terror in North Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia is that ~~Hu Jintao~~ (he was The Good One, can't speak ill of Hu) Xi Jinping did it using the Dark Arts of Communism rather than the Liberty-imbued Democracy Bombs of Capitalism.
Therefore, every Uighur killed in a police raid on a mosque or who died in a detention camp in Loupu is worse than any ten an American killed with a Shock And Awe bombing run or tortured to death at Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay.
So that 8,000 is closer to 80,000. And when you use the Black Book of Communism math to count the unborn decendents of those dead Muslims (whom we love, because Americans universally condemn all forms of Islamophobia and embrace all religions equally) we're talking about 800,000. Maybe even 8M. Certainly possible it's more than that, depending on which libertarian think tank or AI chatbot is running the numbers.
China has killed more than 100 Million Muslim Girls. Adrian Zenz told me so.
Just because you agree with the state sponsoring the genocide it doesn't make the genocide okay.
I wish people sincerely thought this way.
Yeah me too.
Instead I see people explain away China's genocide because they agree with some of their policies.
Do I detect a trace of sarcasm. 😋
If we expand to concentration camps, we can add at least USA, France (I guess all of Europe contracting with other countries to handle migrants) that I know off. And I think that Canada does not really care about its native people when they go missing, so we could add it to.
That comment kind of seems to distract from the genocides and that kind of minimizes them no?
The US is for sure trying to silently genocide a ton of people. We're several red flag alerts into the trans genocide, and the US is openly obsessed with white supremacy.
Canada has a very VERY rough history of indigenous treatment, but what's France's deal today? I can't say I know that one
I developped a bit for France, and also EU because we have one european border (more like Schengen which is slightly different than the EU) and frontex is a crime against humanity, with all the mediterranean drowned people.
We're rounding up non-whites and sending them to concentration camps to die. We have an entire organ of state devoted to ethnic cleansing. USAID cuts alone put our regime among the top fascists by bodycount.
I don't anyone looks better by being put in the same category as the US.
It was not my intention. I wanted to add that we should stop at the early signs of horror, and add some shitty countries to the list too.
In the case of France, we have frontex as a member of the EU, and they published a nice little book for kids about their expulsion and how it is only a trip back :) or our CRA (Centre de rétention Administratif) which are nothing else that concentration camp, where you are locked up without judgement, doctors can't come in and you can spend years in worse conditions than our already bad prisons, before being deported back to "your country". And children gets in CRA too.
I wanted to emphase on these country have issue with human rights, but our white countries too.
Should be rule that only countries that are not the agressor can participate. So no USA, Russia, Israel, etc.
The bare minimum should be to have no Olympic Games. It's ultranationalist propaganda, and a cursory glance at the Wikipedia articles on the first and second World Wars should be sufficient to convince oneself it's a bad idea to promote the idea that nation states should compete against one another as adversaries.
Why not USA too?
Yup them too
... And the US? Kinda missing from that list. Same for Israel and Iran as well if we start making a list.
I've already included Israel as they are actively genociding the most people at the moment.