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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 105 points 3 months ago (4 children)

It doesn’t help my hope for things that, every time Carney clearly represents the owner class over the working class, I see people in comment sections talking about they “don’t like it but you gotta get things done!”. No, this is bad and should not be excused, and why do we always have to have excuses and patience for centrist and right-wing bullshit, which has still yet to show any real functionality, but we won’t even try being progressive despite the innumerable examples of progressive policy working all over the world? Even Mamdani is making it work in the US and we act like Carney needs to allow unreviewed distruction of our environment to benefit O&G companies or the whole country will up and die in only a couple years’ time.

I’m so tired of this crap. I’m so tired of us willfully throwing away our rights and self-respect just to get leaders who will ignore us at every possible turn. I’m sick of people saying that the left will be like Soviet Russia while everything they describe as guaranteed with progressivism is literally happening, openly, in front of them under conservative governments(like our current one, too). Degrading our democracy almost feels like it’s still democratic because so much of the population seems perfectly happy to watch it happen.

[–] TheAgeOfSuperboredom@lemmy.ca 40 points 3 months ago

Exactly this! A great example is when the Alberta UCP flat out told renewable energy companies that they just were not allowed to do business in Alberta. Straight up, in your face central planning. Free market indeed...

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 months ago

I am not far left enough to say communism is the right goal, yet, but I am further left than saying we need socialist reforms. I am from Saskatchewan so I can see the benefits of psuedo-socialized markets (think phone and internet with Sasktel sticking it to the big 3) I just wish the rest of the province could see it to. If Saskatchewan can see it and really start celebrating it maybe the rest of Canada could as well.

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm 100% behind you with this.

And every time I mentioned how it was a bad idea to vote for Carney and how bad he is, I kept being downvoted and then people comment "yeah but we would've has Poilievre otherwise."

No we wouldn't. A lot of NDP ridings turned red because of this. But people should have voted for the NDP. With them as a strong opposition, we would still be in a better position in a minority big C Conservative government than we are right now with a majority small c conservative government.

Carney is a corporatist. He knows how to sweet talk investors to gain their trust like any CEO can bullshit people into buying their stock. And he's done that with all of Canada.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 25 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Be careful what you wish for...

we would still be in a better position in a minority big C Conservative government than we are right now with a majority small c conservative governent.

You might not have been aware of the full stakes and nuances of the situation in late 2024, early 2025. At around December 2024, Trudeau was so unpopular that Poilievre was in clear majority territory, not minority if an election were held then.

This is more a matter of opinion, and I agree what we have is not a great situation, but do you really think that having Pierre in charge, with a cabinet of emboldened racists and a coalition of a group of conservative Liberals would be better than this? Metaphorically I see it as having Pierre in the driver's seat with Liberals with them in the front and the NDP backseat driving in the opposition, versus Mark in the front, with the NDP and the Cons together in the back with PP unable to find a compelling message.

Plus, getting Lewis to unapologetically push left-wing ideas for us I think is a better strategy than Singh's centre-left conciliatory approach that had exhausted its usefulness. The orange wipeout was, rightfully IMO, a wakeup call for the Canadian left.

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[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Many jobs SHOULD be public sector jobs. Like water utilities, garbage collection, electrical utilities, teaching, college teacher.

These public sector jobs should be 4 days a week, with a 5th day of retraining/training. So people keep gaining more skills encase technology changes the workforce, and make peoples' lives more meaningful.

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[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 54 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Excellent article. Thanks for posting.

Trudeau's failure to bring in proportional representation will be a missed opportunity with severe consequences that most don't fully appreciate.

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This this this. So much this. Canadians do not understand just how catastrophic of a fuckup that was. The consequences of that have not yet been truly felt but it will be horrendous when they are. Canada's electoral system is a goddamn joke and, in my opinion, is barely even a democracy at all because of it.

Just like the US, we are one 51% vote away from a bad actor gaining absolute power and tearing down everything Canadians have known and loved. Hell, even right now we have a majority government that the people did not vote for.

[–] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago

51% vote? More like 38-40% vote. That is all a party typically needs to be able to get a majority government.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Our system is better than the US’s system. By just a hair but it is better, but yes we need election reform.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Literally the argument the article is criticizing. Don't compare one country to another like that. Sure you can take specific examples of how something doesn't work in certain circumstances, but doing a direct compare just to say "At least we're not as bad as ____" is ultimately defeatist.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 13 points 3 months ago

Yeah he might've fucked the whole country on that one, but now he's exclusive with Katy Perry so I guess he learned his lesson. /s

[–] loonmusic@piefed.ca 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Trudeau did not fail to bring in proportional representation. He campaigned with the intention of bringing in ranked balloting. Instead of forcing it through when he could, he sent it to committee where no consensus was reached. Instead of compromising with a small improvement the NDP flat out refused anything but proportional representation. With ranked balloting the NDP would consistently win more seats than they do now and we would have more minority governments where compromising would result in more progressive legislation.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Democracy in the entire west is eroding.

[–] justlemmyin@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (3 children)

And Canadians don't have the same excuses to not do anything about it unlike the muricans. Their healthcare is not tied to their jobs.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Their healthcare is not tied to their jobs.

sure, if you dont care about your teeth, eyes, mental health, physiotherapy....

All tied to employment...

And before anyone jumps in here with "at least not as bad as america!!!".... thats exactly the kind of low bar thinking that landed us in this situation..

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago

And before anyone jumps in here with “at least not as bad as america!!!”… thats exactly the kind of low bar thinking that landed us in this situation…

Well, look at the bright side: at least you don't yet have to compare your country with North Korea like Americans do to make it seem less bad.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So I can tell you haven't been poor recently.

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[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

No, but it is tied to politics. What treatments Canadians have access to is determined by unaccountable appointed bureaucrats at the ministries of health.

As an example, GLP-1 is only available to Canadians who are diagnosed with diabetes. It is not available for general weight loss.

[–] bitwise@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You can get the prescription for weight loss in Canada, especially if your current weight puts you at risk. I already know a few people taking the generic for this purpose. Insurance companies are the ones that refuse to provide coverage for anything other than diabetes treatment.

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[–] healthetank@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago (7 children)

The two aren't comparable. You really want Doug Ford to decide what and who can be eligible for what treatments, only to have it overturned by the next premier?

Unelected, nonpartisan bureaucracy is what prevents those swings.

But you're not wrong - Ford is smothering healthcare, as seen by the hospitals struggling with finances right now. Its a problematic sign if most of the major hospitals are all struggling at the same time. Less funds mean poorer service and less availability, and that part is directly driven by politics in the longrun.

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[–] 2027bsg@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

And in the U.S. GLP-1 is only available to U.S. citizens who have enough money to pay for the exorbitant prices. What's your point?

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"Every crisis is an opportunity"

-- Every single slimy "liberal" politician who is really just a posh autoritarian with a toolbox of Identity Politics slogans.

[–] OldCrow@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 months ago

Actually, this is not about Canada, this is about the world. And it’s frightening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Fd-_VDYit3U&ra=m

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago (10 children)

I actually voted for Mark Carney out of pure fear of what PP would do. But I had no idea it would still turn out this bad.

[–] OldCrow@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] RantingCanuck@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)
  • Bill C-22... unwarranted surveillance of Canadians
  • Promoting environmental destruction through increased O&G production
  • Proposed reforms to the Access to Information act to reduce transparency
  • Promoting war in Iran

Shall I continue?

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago

And a whole lot of other shit, too.

[–] OldCrow@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Mark Carney has spent 24-7 meeting with European countries, creating new trade deals, alleviating the dependence we have on the country that is calling us the “51st state”. I’m down with that :)

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago

He also has been cozying up to the most insane US companies, too. His problem with the US is only that he wants Canada to remain nominally independent while still basically being a fully owned asset of US corporate interest.

In short, its Trump's wording he is opposed to more than anything. The moment the fucker dies is the moment it is business as usual in his mind.

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[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Democracy IS THE COMPROMISE.

The alternative is a nonstop threat of violence that makes the "Wild West" look like a monk's retreat.

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

The 'Wild West' wasn't all that wild or lawless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR7EBBXcQUg it was probably safer than life today in Canada. Don't let all the dumb Hollywood movies fool you.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

UK and Germany's too. Hungary, France, Denmark and Italy also not in great shape. Anywhere there's heavy zionist genocider influence campaigns. Coincidence maybe. Spain and Ireland are doing great as an anti-pattern.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

It’s happening all across the west

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago
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