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[–] justlemmyin@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And Canadians don't have the same excuses to not do anything about it unlike the muricans. Their healthcare is not tied to their jobs.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

So I can tell you haven't been poor recently.

[–] ProudCanadianCitizen@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

And many would say that you haven't really been 'poor' unless you were a poor citizen of China in the last century. Yet socialism has pretty much eliminated abject poverty in the country.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Their healthcare is not tied to their jobs.

sure, if you dont care about your teeth, eyes, mental health, physiotherapy....

All tied to employment...

And before anyone jumps in here with "at least not as bad as america!!!".... thats exactly the kind of low bar thinking that landed us in this situation..

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 14 hours ago

And before anyone jumps in here with “at least not as bad as america!!!”… thats exactly the kind of low bar thinking that landed us in this situation…

Well, look at the bright side: at least you don't yet have to compare your country with North Korea like Americans do to make it seem less bad.

[–] OldCrow@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

OK. I broke and dislocated my shoulder in 2024. I was in emergency for a while. My open reduction and internal fixation on the left proximal humerus was scheduled fairly quickly. I didn’t have to take out a mortgage for the surgery. I wasn’t financially ruined to get the use of my arm back. If you want teeth, eyes, mental health, and physiotherapy? Be prepared to pay way higher taxes! Your choice….

[–] prodigalsorcerer@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 hours ago

We're either paying for it though our job, out of pocket, or through taxes. It's not free. I'd much rather have it come out of taxes to reduce the middle men just profiteering from our system.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

No, but it is tied to politics. What treatments Canadians have access to is determined by unaccountable appointed bureaucrats at the ministries of health.

As an example, GLP-1 is only available to Canadians who are diagnosed with diabetes. It is not available for general weight loss.

[–] Worstdriver@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

NOT TRUE.

I'm on GLP-1 and I am neither diabetic nor prediabetic. My A1C is slightly elevated, that's it.

[–] 2027bsg@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

And in the U.S. GLP-1 is only available to U.S. citizens who have enough money to pay for the exorbitant prices. What's your point?

[–] bitwise@lemmy.ca 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You can get the prescription for weight loss in Canada, especially if your current weight puts you at risk. I already know a few people taking the generic for this purpose. Insurance companies are the ones that refuse to provide coverage for anything other than diabetes treatment.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

In the US anyone can decide they want to take the drug and just go to one of the websites that advertise all over the place and get a prescription with no issues.

In Canada, if your current weight does not put you at risk but you would still prefer to lose some weight, you’ll have to convince your doctor who may refuse you.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 hours ago

I can't tell if you think this is a good thing (it is) or a bad thing.

[–] healthetank@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The two aren't comparable. You really want Doug Ford to decide what and who can be eligible for what treatments, only to have it overturned by the next premier?

Unelected, nonpartisan bureaucracy is what prevents those swings.

But you're not wrong - Ford is smothering healthcare, as seen by the hospitals struggling with finances right now. Its a problematic sign if most of the major hospitals are all struggling at the same time. Less funds mean poorer service and less availability, and that part is directly driven by politics in the longrun.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You really want Doug Ford to decide what and who can be eligible for what treatments, only to have it overturned by the next premier?

No, the total opposite. I think the government regulation of medicine should be limited to ensuring a drug’s safety, but not efficacy. This was the regime we had decades ago that gave us some of the most useful medications we still have, such as NSAIDs, antibiotics, and many vaccines.

Let me, an individual, decide (along with my doctor) which drugs I should or shouldn’t be taking.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

but not efficacy

that's how you get snake oil

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

you make an adulterous and valid point. godsdamn curing ourselves by poisoning ourselves to death.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

Plenty of that out there already, see the supplements category.

What removal of efficacy requirements does in reality is open the door to a lot more off label use.