Well these machines need to be maintained and repaired and produced.
Fuck AI
"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
Those sound like long term problems! We all know powerfull individuals (especially politicians) are incapable of thinking longterm.
I need you all to understand that the petty squabbling of our politicians that relegates democratic governments to short term influence is specifically and directly because of the long term planning of the billionaire class!
good thing the wealthy and powerful only know how to vibe code
Hacking these things to decapitate a few lizard people would make for entertaining videos
They're not much good if they can be defeated by stairs.
Or clothes with IR reflection, or makeup, or a a "good enough" picture
This is very true. And technology more generally is a means of power and thereby allows the few to control the many. Technology needs to remain local and of limited capabilities.
Sad thing is, most of us are so brainwashed into being cattle, it wouldn't make any difference. We have had the power for a very long time and very rarely use it 🙄
We are out organized.
We don't even know our neighbors. If we knew how united we are, we would have revolted already. They are making us distrust our neighbors, relatives, they are making us distrust the other gender, they are making us get seperated from our parents, by going to the university etc
Our neighbours are who make us distrust our neighbours. There is no "us". Most people have at least one minority they would secretly love to see gone.
I'm convinced less people = better.
Gonna be extremely funny when a transbian furry puppygirl polycule figures out how to hack the master control server and set their killbots to Eat The Rich mode.
We really do have to purge the wealthy to make a better world.
Cap on how much they can own and control. Say, $100 million? Tough cookies if you think you deserve more.
How about they can own their own head on their shoulders if they are lucky
It absolutely staggers me that there are people out here trying to find out a way to make capitalism work. There is no "one neat trick". If you can accumulate wealth, then you accumulate power, and democracy under capitalism just puts the power of the state up for auction to the highest bidder.
Capitalism does not work. It can never work. It makes fascism inevitable. Capitalism needs to be completely left in the ashes of the past.
There is one way how capitalism can work, and it did work for a while:
Worker action, from voting to unionisation, strikes up to revolution are all things that happen under the umbrella of capitalism, and as much as capitalists want to ban that, it's all just part of the same coin.
If capitalists play nice and fair, pay good wages and make sure the workers have a decent live, then the system is stable and as a reward they get stability to make business.
If they get too greedy and squeeze the workers too hard, workers push back. They form unions, vote left, start striking, and in the worst case they destroy equipment and start a revolution. This is the kind of power that the people have.
In theory.
Due to clever manipulaton, the capitalists managed to divide the working class and pit them against each other. This worked fine for a few decades, but it's wearing thin. It will take maybe 5-15 years until it all comes to a head and explodes.
And OP is right. Back in the day you had to get the military to shoot their own people. With automated weapon systems and AI/robots performing more and more of the productivity, this balance shifts rapidly, and it will likely lead to a total system breakdown with unforeseeable results.
Due to clever manipulaton, the capitalists managed to divide the working class and pit them against each other. This worked fine for a few decades, but it’s wearing thin. It will take maybe 5-15 years until it all comes to a head and explodes.
Trump was successful in lying to industrial sector unionized that he'd bring back manufacturing to the US. His direct harm to that, and agricultural, sector shouldn't take that long to break the disillusionment. ie midterms. Q4 GDP, despite massive AI/datacenter investment cycle, grew at under 1%, with real economy contracting. The 45 year GOP plan of trickle down oligarchist/corporatist supremacism should be attacked more strongly for the lie that it is.
The Soviet Union as a counterweight was good for worker benefits as well. Keep the workers happy, keep the machine running.
Western Euro-Communism was seen as a real threat during the 1960s and 70s.
Totally this. The capitalists feared that yet another country could spiral into revolution and then communism, so they had to keep the workers happy.
The collapse of the Soviet Union combined with neoliberalism and globalism shifted the balance. Now they could always threaten their workers "If you are unhappy, we'll move production to Singapore or Vietnam. So behave if you want to have a job."
With AI and robots this shifts further. Let's see where this goes.
It’s not just moving industry to countries with cheap labor, there’s also importing cheap labor.
These two things have positive effects for workers elsewhere because they get skilled and comparatively well paid jobs.
A fully globalized economy should eventually balance itself out regarding wages for similarly skilled jobs.
With AI and robots this shifts further. Let's see where this goes.
It will be fascinating to see a post scarcity economy. Will all people work as artists, personal trainers, motivational speakers, artisanal bakers, and such?
It’s not just moving industry to countries with cheap labor, there’s also importing cheap labor.
These two things have positive effects for workers elsewhere because they get skilled and comparatively well paid jobs.
A fully globalized economy should eventually balance itself out regarding wages for similarly skilled jobs.
In theory. In practice, the planet is too big for unified union action or unified political action. You can unionize on a country level and call general strikes on a country level. You can't do that on planet scale. Globalized economy sidesteps the power of unions and the power of the people in general.
It will be fascinating to see a post scarcity economy. Will all people work as artists, personal trainers, motivational speakers, artisanal bakers, and such?
Technically, we have been living in a post-scarcity economy for the last 50-70 years already. We have a massive global food overproduction. We have more than enough resources to give everyone a pretty nice standard of living. But on the one hand we have a massively inefficient economical system, where huge parts of the population do redundant work and bullshit jobs, while another huge part of the population do tasks that just exist to prop up the system (e.g. the whole financial and marketing sectors only exists because of the capitalist system, they aren't doing anything worthwhile at all).
We live in an artificial scarcity society, because capitalism needs artificial scarcity to work.
People sell their labour for money, which they then use to buy stuff from the capitalists, and the capitalists use (part of) the money to buy labour from people.
With AI and robots, this will soon not be necessary any more. The labour of the people will be even less relevant than it is today. So the question then becomes whether (a) the system will collapse and what will happen afterwards or (b) if we will just pump even more bullshit into our bullshit jobs to prop up the old system.
No, they will all starve, because they can't make their own food, and are no longer valuable.
Yeah, even the concept of money needs to be abandoned. We don't need it.
$50 million.
If anyone is going to put money toward politics, it needs to either be not enough to affect outcomes significantly or it needs to be a large enough part of their wealth to hurt.
If you've ever wondered what billionaires spend money on, politicians.
They spend it on buying politicians.
Homemade EMP upon thee
bruh aint such a thing, every emp u could build at home would have a max range of a few meters tops, everything beyond that would need fision and or fusion elements, wich are not diy capable.
Besides that, its rather trivial to make robots EMP resistant by giving em a mesh or foil shell.
Aside from the joke, the reality is that the work required to get the wealth to the point where they have complete control will need to be done by human hands. Until they can have robots making robots making robots, they will require human labor which will require human cooperation.
Creating robots is no simple task and requires long supply chains that create a significant attack surface. Copper, steel, ceramics, ammo, batteries, computer chips, etc all have to come from somewhere. Power grid infrastructure becomes even more critical when robots are the only thing protecting you.
That's why I am less concerned that the Epstein class will be able to pull something like this off. Our current system is in active collapse, and their continued existence is predicated on the current system remaining in place.
I'm convinced this is also assholes like Elon selling the idea to them to scam other wealthy assholes out of money. Can't even get self-driving cars to work and you want an AI robo-dog with a gun keeping you safe? There's zero logic which would make that work, and yet...
Who do you think supports the giant supply chains to provide them with ammunition, energy, and maintenance?
Musk tried building a fully automated factory, didn't go so well.
Also, modern warfare is about asymmetry more than overwhelming power. You just need to spend mor efficiency than your opponent to overwhelm them with things like drones.
Yeah, but it only takes one of these crazy things in the hands of a disgruntled employee to end a billionaire.
Might be the plumber. Might be the electrician. Maybe it's the seemingly friendly cable guy? Ah... Who knows. But that's all it takes.
Might be the plumber. Might be the electrician.
Once these clankers surpass a tipping point of competence billionaire early adopters will use them to replace everyone they can't trust.
Not saying they're gonna be invincible. But the longer we allow billionares to (exist) retain their hoards the better they will secure themselves against us poors.