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Taiwanese born. I have lived in the US for 20+ years. I speak the local Taiwanese Hokka dialect. Married a Taiwanese woman.
I walked into a local breakfast shop and the owner, without looking up, said "What do you want to order"?
How the fuck?!?!
So I moved back to Taiwan after the pandemic and I too can pick them out. It's honestly the way Americans carry themselves. It's hard to explain.
French guy here, It's always the accent. You think you don't have one, but you do, and when it's not the accent it's a confusion about grammar or the gender of a word.
The French was probably too perfect. Shoulda been:
“Je prends uhhhh deeeeux…deux croissants”. 90% of the French people I know can barely get two words out without a “uhh” or “beuh”.
I walked up to a change office to transfer a travelers check to cash.
me: Bonjour!
he stopped me right there
change guy: "I do not speak english"
me: nods, shrugs, hands him the check
change guy: ignores the check, pulls down the lock shutter.
That's what you get for showing up right as they were closing.
I did ponder that, It was like 1pm on a Saturday, Hours were posted and should have been open, maybe a late lunch or a bathroom break, he could at least have said anything in French, I spoke enough to get by,
Did the sweatpants say juicy or juteuse across the butt?
I had a couple of interactions like this while in Italy recently. I'd not even opened my mouth and the person responds in English. I specifically selected clothes that don't have any text on them, but I strongly suspect it's because I'm white as fuck and look as Midwestern American as one can.
I didn't have any trouble though, most of the Italians I spoke with seemed happy that I've been trying to learn their language and were happy to talk in a mix of Italian and English to meet me where my Italian level was. It was interesting comparing how in the touristy areas of Italy many folks spoke such perfect English they'd lost most accent (or perhaps were themselves transplants) but once I got out of the touristy areas folks were willing to work with my limited Italian
You didn't smell like cigarettes and have a contempt for humanity
Wow the only time I'd be considered not enough of a midwestern hick to fit in to Europe
Maybe the accent gave it away even if the French is perfect. I'm not a fluent French speaker but I learned it in school. And even among various French speakers I hear, I can tell the difference in accent.
The clothes, what else 🤣
I would just leave that bakery.
That bakery probably hopes that too.
Saw this very thing in an article today. It was said it was the "American lean". Apparently we lean on things when chilling and that's very American.
Not even necessarily on things, just like lean to one side while standing.
The American motherland has a magnetic pull on them, drawing them in.
We're tired, or invading, sometimes it's hard to tell.
I was just in Bordeaux. Not a single issue with my weak French and I’d almost always get a reply in French. I promise I am nowhere near fluent, maybe A2 level.
But in Paris, nearly every reply was in English and even if I replied back in French I’d get that look “please stop butchering my language” before they’d reply in English. It’s a running joke now, but I really question if it’s just parisons being assholes or maybe they just want to practice.
Ps. Never had this issue with Italian. My accent is almost Roman too and I’m again, not fluent.
I'd just keep speaking French to fuck with them. Two can play at that game. I can't speak French, though.
I had a good friend from France who informed me that Parisians are just arseholes lmao
I haven’t had issues in Paris, but it might help that I often apologize for my French in advance. I’m Canadian and clearly have learned a different accent, but most people I encountered were quite eager to help me practice.
Ah you discovered the secret. Even among the French, the Parisians have a certain reputation.
As an American I'd just be happy you're trying. The fact that you try to speak a native language IMO shows respect, even if it isn't that good. You care enough to try.
From my experience in Spain, if you don't speak Spanish and they don't speak English they will still try to help you. In the store they may just show you how much you have to pay on the screen. In other places they will quickly open google translate and use that.
In France they just stare at you and make 0 effort to help. Best they can do is just repeat it in French again.
I'm French and I bet that it's the rythm. I can hear this foreigner with a perfect accent but with a way too perfect rythm with the same tonality: "Bon-jour-deux-croi-ssants-s'il-vous-plait"
A French would sing it. Bonjour ! : High pitched, the "bon-" louder than the "-jour", quick, dynamic.
A pause...
"Deux croissants" medium pitch, without any pause before: "S'il vous plaît". Sometimes said very fast, since it's something you say everyday ("Silouplai"), and with a low pitch since it's the end of the sentence.
A simpler explanation is that people tend not to be able to hear their own accents.
Someone who wasn't brought up speaking French will probably never have an "absolutely perfect" accent. They may think that they sound exactly like everyone around them, but to someone brought up speaking French, they don't.
There are a lot of British actors who do American accents for various parts. These are native English speakers who grew up listening to American accents on TV shows and in movies. They work with dialogue coaches, and can rehearse their lines until they think they can deliver them perfectly in American-style English. Any slips in their accent can be fixed in ADR before the film is released. Yet, many people, including me, are able to spot a few quirks in their speaking and often identify these people as not American.
For French in particular, it has the "u" sound that also exists in German, but doesn't really exist in English. Many people who weren't brought up with that sound can't even really hear it, or can't hear it as different from the "oo" sound that they associate with the letter "u". As a result, words like "ouverture" don't have two distinct "oo / u" sounds for them. So, they might think they're speaking flawlessly and that nobody can notice, but it's really obvious for anybody who was brought up hearing and speaking French.
My wife gets absolutely irate when I tell her she still has an accent, and that she also code switches her accents depending on who she is talking to.
Unless they are Breton
That would be more like "bo------r, (nods vaguely toward the croissants)" the "s'il vous plaît" is implied, but definitely there somewhere. The "merci" will be a slight nod backwards.
“Bonjour ! Euhhh…. Deux croissants s’il-vous-plaît et euhh…. ce sera tout”
Literally this, just add an insane amount of euhh everywhere and they'll think you're one of them.
Damn, Paris has changed a lot. In my days you could talk in basically any language, living or dead, to a Parisian and they would understand every single word. And they'd still only answer in French.
