While i think Beep is objectively a bad person, i see no reason they can't post here if they respect the rules. It's really not that ~~beep~~ deep.
this post was submitted on 11 Apr 2026
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"I have decided that beep(at)piefed.world is allowed to stay – with conditions. I have reached out privately to them about their past behavior, and they conveyed that they will respect the rules going forward."
oh cool! i totally trust a poster who posted specifically in bad taste in order to fight with as many people possible to stand by his weird obsessive stance.
i also totally trust the dude that instantly made alt accounts and alt communities just so he could attempt to evade bans and new rules.
I'm so happy to hear he promised this time! that makes such a huge difference!
I don't trust them either given they explicitly disobeyed rules before (which I'm sure hundreds of people pointed out to them, e.g. about post limits), but I can promise you I'll be keeping an eye on what they post here. They won't get the same leeway again, and I think it's a reasonable olive branch by jerkface given that they are able to post good material here when they stick within the rules – and, in my mind, so that the catalyst of the mod transition doesn't steal the spotlight as a singular reason for the transition. This isn't just "/c/comicstrips but beep isn't here", and I think that conveys that message while giving beep plenty of rope, so to speak.
We'll keep them in check, and it won't be a problem again. Rehabilitation where it's possible, and I think it's possible here.
i understand.
I was pretty anti-post limits, but after seeing lemmyshitpost today… well. I can understand why they’re in place.
Yeah, several factors converge to make a bunch of daily posts (even well-meaning) a bad idea to allow; among them:
- The threadiverse is small enough that basically anything with even tepid reception shows up on 'All'. So users who are lukewarm on the community but don't want 5 million posts per day are incentivized to just block it altogether instead of whack-a-mole problematic users.
- It crowds out posts from other users, propagating a monoculture.
- It incentivizes the poster to value quantity over quality.
- It's much harder to properly moderate.
- It dilutes discussion around a bunch of posts instead of in-depth commentary around a handful of posts.
- It causes ceaseless arguments that can even dominate the community (hell, even leak out of it) when one or two users get way out-of-hand.
Did you end up removing his posts with the altered comics? Or are they still out there to disseminate his inferior versions across the internet?
And just to be clear, I think not banning beep is an idea with no upside.
The only rule Beep was breaking at the time was the per-day post limit. While cleaning that up would be tedious, it'd still be doable; the main reason we haven't (that I know of) is that those posts are long-since submitted and have hundreds of existing discussions which other users contributed to. The per-day post limit is mainly relevant for new posts, so enforcing that rule as it should've been when they were posted wouldn't really accomplish anything except make a lot of user comments inaccessible. It'd be functionally random, too – starting at the first posts, leaving post n and post n + 1, then removing everything until the next 24 hours after post n, loop until we get to the last post they made before it was upped to 5 and Beep was forced to stop breaking it. (That wasn't your question; just addressing it since it has the more complicated answer.)
As for the altered comics, there was no rule in place at the time that comics need to be unaltered and have attribution. We (at least I) don't do ex post facto rule enforcement. Of the existing reports for posts/comments made before dohpaz42's rule changes, none (that I saw) were for violations of the rules that existed at the time, so the only reports I ended up acting on were the ones that violated Lemmy.World's terms of service.
That makes sense for allowing beep to stay. I still don't think it's the right move given the extreme level of bad faith in which he operated, but ok, you guys are making a point about objectivity. Rules shouldn't apply ex post facto to members of the community.
However. Rules should and typically do apply ex post facto to content. If I dig up an old comic with the word "fuck" in it that was never removed, would you remove it now that curse words are allowed? Or would you say there's no current rule against it, so it stays?
I'm sure it would stay. Common sense wins out in that case, just as it should in the other case.
The point of having rules around content isn't to punish users who break the rules. It's to shape this place into the community we want it to be. If we want it to be a community that respects artists, then we need to remove the content that's so blatantly and aggressively disrespectful to artists.
Posts that broke the per-day rule or the old NSFW rule aren't harming anyone. But these posts that are an intentional perversion of a creator's art, removing their name and in some cases surreptitiously modifying the content of the picture, are passively harming those artists every day that they exist in this community. You're leaving them out there to be found and disseminated, to supercede the artist's original work.
I seriously doubt the community values artist integrity less than "hundreds of existing discussions" about what an asshole the poster is, so I think this should be a pretty easy stance to take.
I seriously doubt the community values artist integrity less than "hundreds of existing discussions"
No, it does not, which is why I applied it only as justification not to enforce the per-day rule as it should've been before; violations of those rules are no longer harming anyone in the way the rule was designed to prevent.
If I dig up an old comic with the word "fuck" in it that was never removed, would you remove it now that curse words are allowed?
As I said, I don't enforce rules ex post facto. There was no such rule before, but let's say it existed. I would not, and you have to know that's meaningfully different. Punishing someone ex post facto is very different from granting leniency ex post facto. "I've decided this is bad, so I'm going to actively punish it retroactively" is extremely different from "I've decided this is fine, so I'm no longer going to prosecute it." You definitely understand that "I'm criminalizing weed, so you who smoked it a year ago are off to jail" and "I'm decriminalizing weed, so I'm going to drop existing charges" are completely different regardless of your stance on weed (although I know roughly what both of ours are).
And, of course, that's not even the case here; no actual rule (unlike the "fuck" one) was broken at the time it was posted, so I'm not setting a precedent that we can change the rules at any time and apply them retroactively.
The point of having rules around content isn't to punish users who break the rules. It's to shape this place into the community we want it to be.
Actually, the rules are around to protect the users and what they contribute here – so they can safely post and comment knowing what's in-bounds and have grounds to object if they think they were unfairly punished. If I wanted to "shape this place into the community we want it to be", I could just go around removing whatever because I think it beautifies the community. I don't apply ex post facto punishments, and I'm likely to grant leniency ex post facto; these two are entirely consistent with each other.
I can probably link at least one thread where I went off on Beep if you think any of this is meant to stick up for them specifically. I requested to moderate expressly because Beep was ruining the community, and I was even surprised to see them granted amnesty and tried to see a silver lining.
You're welcome to think I'm a misguided idealist, but my hobbies are creating copyleft software, copyleft prose, copyleft media, and copyleft data requiring attribution, so if you think any of this is because I'd wish to wipe every one of Beep's de-attributed posts any less than you, you're understandably but sorely mistaken. I feel Beep spat in my face personally along with the rest of my community's. I just don't have a proper justification within the rules – and that includes the per-day limit applied as a backdoor in a way that's not in the spirit of that rule.
That said, I will show no leniency to intentionally de-attributed posts in the future, and I'll be making sure all have proper credit.
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But what about beep@lemmynsfw and beep@lemmy.world? Will only one of his personalities behave? Can't wait to find out
Personally I am more concerned with the ones not yet made, as the known ones are already blocked. :-|
Welcome mods! Looking forward to an active mod team, thanks for taking on the challenge!
Kudos, dohpaz, on the call about beep. The ban hammer is an easy out; I think this shows a lot of integrity and a considered approach to a controversial situation.
The first thing I want to say is this: for the time being, I have decided that beep is allowed to stay
That is disappointing to hear.
I think if you follow the rules as they’ve been laid out now, you should be allowed to stick around.
Previously the rule requiring a source or attribution link was not a rule.
While I don’t agree with Beep’s public POV on how website links for the artists are equivalent to an advertisement, it wasn’t against the rules. Just kind of rude.
If they’re willing to follow the rules now, they can stay. It’s that easy.
Also holy sheet what happened to not feeding the trolls? The whole thing was obvious bait and so many people took it
Thanks, much appreciated!
Modding a big community is a herculean effort but needed if we want the fediverse to thrive, so thanks for stepping up to the plate!
This was removed?
This was posted (and reported) before the rule change, and I removed it due to it's non-"family friendly" nature. There were a couple of other posts that I removed for similar reasons. Now, if you would like to repost it with the appropriate NSFW tag, you're welcome to do so now that the rules officially support this content.
My main point is that family friendly is something you may want but not necessarily the community. The rule wasn't enforced before.
Tagging is essentially the same as removing and not a compromise in my book.
That being said, I get this is a transition period and you guys have better stuff to do. I also think too many Meta threads at once is a bit annoying. I'm hoping we can have a more thorough discussion with everyone's opinion in a dedicated thread at a later date, hopefully with examples so we can give a proper opinion.
Thanks for taking on the responsibility in any case!
Tagging is essentially the same as removing and not a compromise in my book.
Come check out Mastodon sometime, where we also tag movie spoilers, politics, mentions of any medical condition, and eye contact.
There's nothing wrong with eye contact. It makes some people really uncomfortable. So we tag it so that they can filter it.
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Personally I think it should be tagged nsfw.
I like the metric I came up with the other day.
If you'd get arrested for showing it to a 16yr old, tag it. If you'd shoot your "creepy uncle" for showing it to your 16yr old kid, tag it.
It's not that I think a 16yr old isn't mature enough for this type of material, but it's a lot different if a much older person shares it with them. When in doubt - tag it.
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Do what you want with beep, I will continue blocking them. They had more than their fair share of chances to be a part of the community but they chose to be contrarian about it. Somebody with the power to hold them accountable finally reaches out and now they'll play by the rules? Beep you squandered all my good will, good luck somewhere else. I'm blocking all your alts too.
Thank you for taking on the task. We (mostly) appreciate it.
Nice work, DohPaz and folks! I guess it will be interesting to see if the various beeps clean up their act across the other comics /c's they post at...
Also, I confess a swell of jealousy about getting so many mod volunteers in past days. I haven't had a single volunteer at my comics place over the years, altho of course it's smaller (~1.1K users), and more niche than yours. Anyway, thanks for your efforts, here!
Nice! Thank you!
Glad to be here. Hope we can keep this place clean and on topic!
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