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I don't understand why the danish officials they even wasted their time to go to Washington to "talk" about this. There's nothing to talk about this.
Have they ever tried to reason with a toddler that's having a tantrum "I want that toy now"? Waste of time.
Simple: if the toddler has found daddy’s gun because the safe was left open… you better try talking before you scare it.
This is not a toddler, this is a guy bigger than you and with lots of guns and friends. Talking is our only option, especially because it means we can also go against the narrative that Denmark cannot defend Greenland.
Which is true in isolation, but that's why we're in NATO and the joint arctic command and have the 1951 deal with the US that you guys can scale up military presence in Greenland at will. Yet it hadn't happened in 20 years, only reductions.
Personally I think we should have gone more into how Biden refused to increase the defense of the arctic region within the agreement, give the trumpists a way to call him names and solve the issue within the agreements we have.
Still, Lars Løkke has been doing the rounds on Fox News and elsewhere to give our perspective, which could influence public opinion and help change the false narratives being spread in the US. From our perspective we had everything to gain from a meeting and very little to lose.
I really want to stress how deeply unpopular this is in the U.S. The MAGA movement is about 30% of the electorate, so you can generally expect that even the dumbest, most insane Trump decisions have a floor of 30% approval. 9% of Americans support this, 86% oppose it. At minimum, two-thirds of Trump's most rabid, loyal followers are against this.
Something I’ve learned in the last decade, no matter how unpopular a position, MAGA supporters will fall in line with the party rather than risk threatening the parties authority.
As long as that idiot is in power those numbers mean nothing. Impeach him, wrote in a new guy and then we'll talk.
I hope those numbers can be turned into actions to stop Trump.
The elected officials need to be reminded what the vast majority of their voters want them to do.
Thanks. They're comforting numbers.
Well, I hate to throw cold water on that comfort, but I'm not sure the numbers matter. Trump is increasingly unresponsive to polling, even within his base, and it seems like the Pentagon really is planning an invasion. It would fracture his own MAGA movement, completely destroy NATO, make America a global pariah, and potentially start WWIII, but it seems he is seriously considering it.
Ah I'm sure he's considering it and the planning is a given. I'm glad the bulk of Americans have some sense in this matter at least.
Probably as retribution to the American people for not voting for him in 2021. Such a lust for revenge
Trump is unacceptable. Someone please put the kibbosh on everything about him.
I don't know what kind of authority Greenland / Denmark would have to expel all US personnel from Greenland, but given there are US military bases there, I imagine there might be some contractual issues.
As an alternative, at this point, I think they should be blockading those bases, and searching any vehicle going into or out of it for supply reasons. Also institute a no fly zone over their base so they can't just air drop stuff in.
No net new personnel going into the base (staffing swaps maybe... like 1 in 1 out). No new weapons allowed.
If Trump was going to try something, you don't want them being able to prep those bases to assist with the assult any more than they already can, and you want them locked down with defences in their pathway before anything starts.
I don't know what kind of authority Greenland / Denmark would have to expel all US personnel from Greenland, but given there are US military bases there, I imagine there might be some contractual issues.
Ask Cuba how that went.
Cuba was a stones throw away, and didn't have the military capabilities of Denmark.
They also agreed to lease it for an absurd length of time.
Denmark has no such obligations.
I have a feeling trump is willing to call the “Denmark will put boots on the ground to forcibly expel/kill the invaders” (what I unfortunately suspect would be a) bluff.
He knows the Europeans will put up a token, face-saving resistance but have no enthusiasm for a full-on shooting war. Unfortunately this may be a correct assessment. But Europe and its allies still have the power to disrupt the US economy, and should seriously plan to do so if the US doesn't back off.
Bluff or not, I believe you are correct.
Wonder if conservatives knew they were voting to destroy all America's allegiances. Or if their brains were incapable of thinking that far ahead.
I'm gonna go with option 2.
I honestly believe they didn't think that trump was actually going to go through with a lot of it, and that 'he talks a lot of shit, and triggers the libs' and that's it.
I think they just wanted four more years of Trump term 1 which was retarded but certainly not this horiffic.
There is still a wildly vocal support base online so it's hard to hear the voters who have silently realised their mistake.
And yes it has cost allegiance, that won't come back as easily this time.
Things I'm seeing online are like ... "he does what he says/he keeps his promises" "better for the economy" ... fucked that none of those make sense and you'd have to be an idiot to believe
So many believe in the whole American exceptionalism shit so I think they believe some of their shit is their birthright or something.
Have you talked to a Republican or MAGA?
They cheer on destroying relations with Europe.
Have you talked to a Republican or MAGA?
They cheer on destroying relations with Europe.
They have been convinced that the entire world is somehow abusing the poor widdle usa.
They also seem to think "fuck at least 2/3 of America".
They don't consider those people "America".
Most Trump supporters probably can't even name more than 10 non-english speaking countries that aren't Mexico, Russia or China, and one their answers would probably be "Africa".
International politics doesn't even come close to their thought processes during election time.
I mean, they still cant grasp that or what it means.
Most stopped processing after "make America great again". They really were thinking shit would just magically get great without any care as to the how and for who
"Pro-Peace Ticket" BTW.
Change my mind: Literally zero people want Greenland to be part of the US except Donald Trump and the people who have trained themselves to always agree with Donald Trump.
They don't even have a fucking reason. Oh, it is an important strategic location? Good thing we already have a base there!
The people who have trained Donald Trump to agree with them. They want oil, minerals, land, etc.
A large percentage of the world finds Donald Trump being president of the USA unacceptable.
A large percentage of the US as well.
Not large enough.
Apart from all the deflection and Putin and Gilded-Age foreign policy policy theories, which may well be right, I think President Dingleberry also found out that Greenland is 1% larger by area than the Louisiana Purchase, which would make him the president that most embiggened America. How can you you deny MAGA if he literally made it greater (in size) than any president prior to him?
It's also possible he has only ever looked at a Mercator and thinks Greenland is literally the size of Africa or South America.
Ffs. . . Putin is giggling in glee at the payoff from his agent in the White House, and all the time/effort spent on troll farms and blackmail.
The only reason Trump is doing this is to get the USA out of NATO for Putin. The reason he works for Putin is because Putin has some very compromising pictures and videos of Trump, involving children and possibly pee