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My old boss says she rather risk her life riding a weemo taxi than take a Uber.
When asked why, she said that an Uber driver dropped her off at home, after about 15 minutes, then Uber driver was still messaging her. She ignored it. After 15 minutes later, the APP asked her if anything is wrong because the driver was still parked at her front door.
She called the police and they showed up 30 minutes later and made him leave. Dude was at her house messaging her for 45 minutes.
Ya, I'm a dude and I would also choose bear.
It's also wild to me that I've been told multiple times by experienced outdoorsmen that the most dangerous animal you can encounter in the woods is another human, but that's entirely forgotten as soon as the culture war revs up.
yup. all kinds of people in this thread equating "encountering a bear" to "being mauled by a bear"
Oh god mgtow. That whole thing is a walking red flag
I generally dislike writing off people (or groups or things) based on a soundbite or a hashtag - I'd much rather evaluate for myself whether there's any decent and informative point to the content.
#mgtow though... The very presence of it makes one cringe, and I can't think of an occasion when it hasn't descended into a dumpster fire from there.
I suppose it's nice of them to flag their own content so well really.
For anybody else who hadn't heard about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way
IDK, I'm not sold.
Neither Man nor Bear isn't presented as an option, the choices were Man or Bear so anybody who chooses Bear is CHOOSING THE BEAR. Bears are not kind to humans in their territory, if you run into a mother then you're going to be torn apart.
anybody who chooses Bear is CHOOSING THE BEAR
But she's getting both. Big brown bear and insufferably smug, demonstrably useless, petty and vindictive man.
Bears are not kind to humans in their territory
Bears generally leave you alone unless you've got food and they're hungry... at which point, just give them your food and you'll be fine. Despite millions of humans living in historical bear territory, you get only 2-5 actual attacks reported per year.
Men can't make this claim.
There have been 3 black bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal, and one brown bear attack, also fatal. I might also be missing some nonfatal attacks since theres not a well maintained list for those. Humans also generally leave you alone if you're not in their immediate vicinity, I think it warrants assuming you're not just on the same mountain as the bear.
There have been 3 bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal.
Now do men.
There were 3,849 women murdered in the US in 2023. But it does not list who killed them.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388777/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-gender/
in 2021, 147 women were killed by 144 men.
https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/07/04/census-details-how-often-men-kill-women
using the lower number from 2021, and the bear fatalities from the same year (6 total, only 4 were women), women are 36.5 times more likely to be killed by a man than a bear... and this is not counting rape.
Bear attacks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America
You didn't figure in factors like number of men total or number of bears total, and the amount of exposure to either.
Your mind is going to be blown when you find out about the number of man attacks this year.
Too lazy to look through my post history but iirc men are MUCH more likely to kill someone than a bear, adjusted for population. You can search through it if you’d like. Men are much more violent than bears.
See that's actually not true, because there are more men total than bears total and people are generally much more exposed to men than bears. Let's say you go to a city and walk past a hundred people. Bears are safer, so you'd be perfectly justified to walk past a hundred bears?
I don’t think you understand what adjusted for population means. Bears kill like 2.6 people a year.
Humans kill ~11,000 times as many, and have 100 times the population. So humans are 110x more likely to kill you than a bear. (Note this is humans, not men. Men are responsible for 87.5% of known murders, but 50% of the population.) Adjusting for this, men are ~145 to 200x more likely to kill a human than a bear (like a quarter of murders are unknown so I gave it a wide range) You also have to take into account humans are generally bound by society and thus most human interaction won’t be as dangerous where as it’s not like a bears gonna be like “uh oh there are cameras here or other people might see me kill this person” so like… yeah you can’t perfectly account for everything but uh, point being bears really aren’t that dangerous if you see one alone in the woods.
Also sorry if I didn’t provide links and math might be slightly whatever I was taking and shit and honestly don’t care that much.
Edit: and before you try and say anything else please note this is me being nice and only looking at literal murder. Ignoring assault and sexual assault and etc, which all bear attacks are about 35 a year total and… yeah human numbers are uh, MUCH higher.
This ignores exposure time though which is a huge factor, and makes the comparison disingenuous.
Jeez. These comments.
Yeah, I'm shocked at the level of misogyny on Lemmy. I swear shit was never this bad even a few months ago? Maybe I was being ignorant.
Na, never has been different. Look up any thread that even mildly implies men could do something wrong and it's only hate from there on.
I wonder why tough. Lemmy is fairly left, pro LGBTQI+, etc. but in regards to anything mildly feminist you get... well, this kind of lovely thread.
I feel bad for note paying attention to it sooner. I think I'm going to have to post more of this sort of content all over the place to piss of the sexists.
Sadly brocialism is a thing amongst some leftists.
Men in general have no idea what women have to deal with [from men]. And so many men are fragile and want to turn it around and make themselves the victims. If you are having a hard time befriending women, then you need to look deeper into your actions and how they might be perceived by someone who has to deal with unprovoked messaging, calling, touching, staring, following, etc. Men are the reason women travel in groups to the restroom, or that there is such a thing as a drink cover in a bar, or that there are women only driver options for ride services, etc. etc. You just need to realize that even if the actual percentage of men who are creepers is low, it doesn't mean that the number of interactions women have with them is not. All it takes is one scary moment for a woman to be put on the defensive for good.
I don't understand why this triggers so many men. I think a lot of them just have absolutely no experience talking with women or reading about their interactions with men. Just a total lack of curiosity or interest in what life is like for women.
This argument is so dumb. Women are assuming the random man will rape them just because (what?) and men are assuming the women would rather get mauled to death by a bear (likely) then what I think they're thinking is that they can befriend it or something? It is mildly insulting when someone says to your face "I'd rather be mauled to death than spend a second alone with you". I've never come across this situation in real life however so I think this is a nonsense internet argument intended to drum up division and distract us from making guillotines.
You are misunderstanding what women are implying with this meme. It is about probability not pre-determined outcomes. Women are more fearful of the man because they believe there is more chance of being harmed by a random man than a random bear. This neither implies every man will threaten her nor every bear will maul her.
Just entertaining this is true, you DO realize how horrible it is to hear "I think you're more dangerous than a random bear just for existing"? And this isn't supposed to give men lasting mental health issues and extreme social anxiety?
I can't say how it's going to affect all men, but for me (who is a man) that is not how it affects me. The fact that there exists a lot of mysogonistic men doesn't reflect on me. I am confident that I'd be one of the men who'd just leave a woman alone if we ever met in the woods, so knowing that there are a lot of men out their who wouldn't doesn't get me salty at the women who are fearful of them; but rather, it gets me salty at the shithead men out there who are ultimately the root of the women's fear.
Right now, you are ultimately expressing your anger towards the hypothetical victim rather getting angry at the hypothetical asshole.
Bro. I know you're not a rapist, but you're going to have to accept that lots of men are rapists. If you want people to think of men in general as nice people, you need to fight the rapists. Right now you're not doing that.
Post of a kind "Men once again prove women right"
Wild how a simple safety tip got turned into a whole fantasy scenario. Sometimes the point really is just: let people feel safe.