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[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm always seeing this claim:

AI can code better than most humans.

Yet literally every formal study on this says exactly the opposite.

[–] SalmiakDragon@feddit.nu 8 points 21 hours ago

Most humans can't code though, so I think this is technically true (and a weird flex). No way is AI better than human coders.

[–] lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"AI can code better than most humans."

They actually mean: After burning millions of tokens and using up the energy of multiple households (for a year) it can code better than an intern.

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 day ago (3 children)

AI can code better than most humans? BS. Only takes a few features to end up with spaghetti.

[–] xep@discuss.online 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In my experience it doesn't even take a few features, a medium-size non-trivial script by Claude would not pass review by me without human cleanup.

[–] MrLLM@ani.social 4 points 1 day ago

I wonder if some bolognese would make it a little bit better… ~I’ll~ ~see~ ~myself~ ~out~

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They can't get a job because they do not possess any skills that are marketable.. I hate to break it to you, but going to computer Science school doesn't make you a coder, and doesn't make you good at anything.

[–] ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Tbh I feel like computer science was the most overrated major this past decade and way too many students picked it.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Basically ever since the late 90s. The late 90s enshrined comp sci next to lawyer and doctor as the get rich jobs, except with super low education requirements.

I remember tons of folks when I was in college who didn't want to do any of this "nerdy crap", but they saw dollar signs.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Actually about 1997-2015

Most of the 90s was renegades and hobbyists. The gravy boat for lazy incompetants didn't start, really, until the post dot-bomb bubble pop settled around 2003ish

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Exactly, as hard as it is to swallow for people, there was a time when coding was a cushy job that you could land after drinking through college. Those days are gone, and it's back to what it was when I was a dev: you made your own way; You made something awesome and you force companies to look at you and say holy fuck let's get this person they've got something going on.

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I thought most corporations just used the free software made by people who've "got something going on" without paying. I keep seeing complaints about that crossing my feed in Mastodon.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

What does this have to do with anything.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

No it can't.

[–] Rambomst@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I think the conclusion that a software engineer can't find a job due to LLMs is a load of bullshit. I work as one, we are always hiring, just not rubbish candidates....

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

To be fair. I've worked with companies that would hire rubbish developers, because "more is better" and also they have no idea what they are doing.

One such company just shuttetered an entire offshored part of the company "because AI". No transition, because "AI can handle it without a transition"

The leadership are idiots that have no idea what they are doing, but thanks to them, rubbish candidates had a career path.

Apart from that, the AI companies are taking a lot of oxygen out of the industry. Not much money left for other companies to hire even if they wanted to.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But the problem is that fresh out of college candidates are generally going to be rubbish, especially when competing against candidates in CA with skills and candidates in lower cost of living areas with a near equivalent education.

Why hire a junior programmer from Stanford at the lower half of their class when you can hire two junior programmers from the University of Warsaw?

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is what killed my love of learning programming. An llm is years beyond me since I'm a noob and it would take 5 years of learning for me to surpass it vs someone typing into it and telling it to code an entire game. Id have to look up every syntax.

Id like to get away from computers since ai has ruined it for the most part and it'd be a lot smarter to learn metal work or woodworking. But I just enjoy computing and its interesting.

[–] groucho@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 13 hours ago

Keep going on it. We'll need programmers when the bubble pops or Claude/Copilot/whoever pull a Broadcom and locks everyone into predatory contracts.

And, really, AI is not good at code. It's good at mimicking stuff it's seen before. That's why most of the use-cases the AI heads at my company point to are things like REST servers or configuration files. You know, stuff that fucking everyone has in their 21st century codebase. Once you get into the weeds and start solving novel problems, AI just hallucinates a solution.

I started my career back when everyone said that Visual Basic would make most programming jobs obsolete. Spend your time building your craft. Spend a little longer learning why and how. Worst-case scenario, you can find the flaws in AI code instead of just shrugging and committing.

[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

Not fresh grads. My company is hiring but we demand experience.

[–] fauxerious@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's no jobs!

Lands "technical lead" in LA after four months

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

I’m not in California but I have a CS degree and am going on 15 months of unemployment.