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[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 38 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

I'm not saying Donald is a russian asset... But what more could daddy vladdy wish for?

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 47 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is literally the behavior of a traitor

Seriously, what happened USA? You were never the best, not even close, you were one of the worst, but st least you tried. Now you just kinda dropped pretence and went full asshole

[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And only 6 months into one administration. Honestly I've never seen politicians work so fast at anything

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[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 110 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Honestly, the American far-right unknowingly dismantling US global hegemony piece by piece is pretty sick

[–] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 5 days ago (9 children)

they’re doing it very knowingly… they wrote an entire nearly 1000 page fucking document detailing exactly what they’re doing in excruciating detail.

the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous. lots of these fuckers are quite intelligent and conniving. you should be weary.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 276 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (21 children)

Look how stupid your country is, to hand the death of NATO to Putin because you’re on his side.

Thanks for the war and death and heat, Americans.

Fuck you.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 129 points 6 days ago (11 children)

We're pretty pissed off at ourselves right now too. I'm sorry things got this far and wish I could offer more than fear and frustration...

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[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 27 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yup. Doing Putin's work. So you're going to withrdraw from an even more powerful alliance right in the middle of an arms race. Fucking genius strategery right there.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 54 points 5 days ago (4 children)

US: "NATO members need to up their defense spending!"

NATO: "Okay, we'll do it."

US: "Actually, We're leaving NATO." 🤡

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[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 24 points 4 days ago (3 children)

From a Turkish perspective, it's fucking ridiculous for Trump to first convince us to increase the defense budget, then withdraw from the alliance completely. The fuck is his goal?

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Keep 'em guessing". You have to understand Trump is not a statesman. It's that simple. He views everything as a one-to-one personal power dynamic in the context of some silly real estate deal about which restaurant supplier to choose for the crispy tortilla shells.

I don't think he understands the ramifications beyond a contract he won't respect or some clever insult he can hurl.

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[–] oyzmo@lemmy.world 36 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I'm just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.

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[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 133 points 5 days ago (14 children)

Just removing the US from another world stage

Soon we will be completely irrelevant

Which is the plan

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 52 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Gonna be as isolated at North Korea by the end of this administration. As trusted too.

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[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 99 points 5 days ago (2 children)

As directed by Vladamir Putin.

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[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

As predicted years ago.

Trump is Putin's ally, not NATO's.

This was forseen by some YEARS ago..

As I've said before, they're committed to destroying all the "woke" countries in a pincer between Putin & Trump,

& that's why Greenland is required, so the US can do to Canada what Russia's been doing to Ukraine, & once Canada's destroyed, then the hated-by-them-both EU can be destroyed.

It's a strategy, & it will succeed unless the TrueNATO countries SMARTEN UP SHARPLY, QUICKLY, which looks to not be going to happen..

Whatever.

There are other worlds in endless-stream-of-universes: our continuums/souls will just do it again, on another world, after obliterating this "Garden of Eden" world, right?

whatever.

Watching humankind "prevent" snuffing-of-humankind is like watching a junkie's life be obliterated by whatever junk they're addicted-to.

Inevitable, depressing, pointless..

Oh, sure, it's possible that the addict in question might somehow change & fight-for-their-life against their unconscious-mind's obliteration-addiction, but is it likely?

not.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So we dont buy US military kit. It's got kill switches and hard to keep running without their support. It's increasing looking like they aren't aligned with the free world.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 21 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Well, in a democracy it's important that people who want this can try to make it happen via official procedure, which this is.

That said, the people who want this are assholes and probably in bed with Russia.

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago
[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 76 points 5 days ago (8 children)

They want out because it's stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.

US: We want you to spend more on defence!
Europe: Ok, we will buy more, from our own companies!
US: That's not what I meant! I'm going home!

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 33 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They wanted to leave during Trump’s first term because it helps Russia’s war with Europe

The increased spending is just meant to make the incumbents unpopular so the Russian backed candidates can win

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[–] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Meanwhile Rutte just said the other day that he trusts that Donald is committed to said alliance XD

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

Mike Lee floats a lot of turds, even in excess of what the standard put out. He's been agitating against NATO membership practically since his first day in the Senate, along with his close friend Rand Paul.

This bill won't even make it out of committee, unless Lee can get a bug in Trump's ear over it.

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[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Of course NATO is not a trusted organization to an administration consisting exclusively of Russian agents.

Seriously, are we sure these assholes even speak English and have English names or is there some cover-up going on?

[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (5 children)

And then Russia can do whatever the fuck they want. Which is what daddy Trump wants.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 15 points 4 days ago

Oh trump's definitely not the "daddy" in this relationship.

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 92 points 6 days ago (3 children)

What's next? Helping Russia in their wars? I hope it was fucking worth it to "own the libs."

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[–] TemplaerDude@lemm.ee 36 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Mike Lee is obviously a fucking traitor lol Americans stand up for your country and shoot the motherfucker

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[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 74 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If the US leaves NATO, Europe would lose a lot of support.

If the US stays in NATO, they would refuse to support them anyway and could use their veto power to stop any potential action.

If they're not going to have the support of the US military either way, and the US staying in NATO could prevent the organization from taking any action at all, it may be in the best interest of Europe for the US to leave NATO so they can't cripple it from within.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 41 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Does the bill include all military installation closures and those that are on European territories? For example Greenland. If MAGA wants out, then GTFO and I do not want hear any crying afterwards because that will give the Europeans every excuse not purchase US made weapons. I'm certain US MIC lobbyists will weasel their way in to tear apart the bill.

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 78 points 6 days ago (1 children)

france was right all along

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[–] Grizzlyboy@lemmy.zip 31 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I had so many brain dead idiots attack me over at Reddit, for claiming America would withdraw from NATO if trump won. They weren’t just Americans, but also Europeans.

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[–] reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 49 points 5 days ago (27 children)

I keep getting this sinking feeling that this is all leading up to a precise and coordinated attack of evil.

Russia bombards the EU, the US attacks Greenland and Canada, while Israel finally bulldozes Gaza and Iran. China takes Taiwan and the south sea.

All at the same time so NATO is overwhelmed and can’t decisively defend it all without risking spreading too thin. No matter what happens, one of the bad guys gains ground.

I honestly have no idea if this is even possible, it’s based on a dream I had a few weeks ago.

Disturbing thought though.

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[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

wow, even after NATO members helped US.

[–] Bravo@eviltoast.org 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yep, the USA likes to complain about Europe being security freeloaders, but the only member to ever invoke Article 5 was the USA.

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 64 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This took longer than I thought it would. It seemed like a priority during trump’s 1st term, then it stalled.

Given some of Putin’s comments lately, he seems increasingly restless. I wonder if this is related to that?

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 54 points 6 days ago (3 children)

He's preparing to attack the Baltics.

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[–] Zezzoz@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

USA showing again how they are traitors and cowards.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Meanwhile, Putin and Russia is cheering this on. The parties they are going to throw are going to be absolutely epic. You’ve heard the party of the decade, you’ve heard of the party of the century, get ready for the party of the millennium.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Mike Lee is a notoriously despicable person even by GOP standards and the bill doesn't have any legs. Like, just a week ago he said terrible things about the Minnasotan politicians who were shot dead in their homes, and he's also the one who was pushing to sell off public lands (which he was bullied out of; also seems to be in the pocket of the Mormon cult).

The US stance on NATO is complicated under the current US regime but I doubt it'll be by this assholes bill.

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 5 days ago (1 children)

He's just stirring shit to get his name out there isn't he?

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[–] carlossurf@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 days ago

Gotta make daddy putin happy

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 40 points 6 days ago (13 children)

If they're going to withdraw then why are they strong arming all the other nations to spending 5% GDP on defense? If they're not in NATO, who gives a fuck what they want?

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 41 points 6 days ago (10 children)

Probably because they want those 5% GDP spent for contracts with the 'murican military industrial complex.

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