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[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

As predicted years ago.

Trump is Putin's ally, not NATO's.

This was forseen by some YEARS ago..

As I've said before, they're committed to destroying all the "woke" countries in a pincer between Putin & Trump,

& that's why Greenland is required, so the US can do to Canada what Russia's been doing to Ukraine, & once Canada's destroyed, then the hated-by-them-both EU can be destroyed.

It's a strategy, & it will succeed unless the TrueNATO countries SMARTEN UP SHARPLY, QUICKLY, which looks to not be going to happen..

Whatever.

There are other worlds in endless-stream-of-universes: our continuums/souls will just do it again, on another world, after obliterating this "Garden of Eden" world, right?

whatever.

Watching humankind "prevent" snuffing-of-humankind is like watching a junkie's life be obliterated by whatever junk they're addicted-to.

Inevitable, depressing, pointless..

Oh, sure, it's possible that the addict in question might somehow change & fight-for-their-life against their unconscious-mind's obliteration-addiction, but is it likely?

not.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

I'm not saying Donald is a russian asset... But what more could daddy vladdy wish for?

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 47 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is literally the behavior of a traitor

Seriously, what happened USA? You were never the best, not even close, you were one of the worst, but st least you tried. Now you just kinda dropped pretence and went full asshole

[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And only 6 months into one administration. Honestly I've never seen politicians work so fast at anything

[–] IceFoxX@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

4 years followed by 4 years of biden where republicans blocked almost everything but he is now a perfect puppet to blame for everything and now the next 6 months. But Trump already started to refill positions back then.

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

From a Turkish perspective, it's fucking ridiculous for Trump to first convince us to increase the defense budget, then withdraw from the alliance completely. The fuck is his goal?

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Keep 'em guessing". You have to understand Trump is not a statesman. It's that simple. He views everything as a one-to-one personal power dynamic in the context of some silly real estate deal about which restaurant supplier to choose for the crispy tortilla shells.

I don't think he understands the ramifications beyond a contract he won't respect or some clever insult he can hurl.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

He's a trust-fund nitwit cosplaying as an entrepreneur, who has been parachuted into the Presidency.

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[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yup. Doing Putin's work. So you're going to withrdraw from an even more powerful alliance right in the middle of an arms race. Fucking genius strategery right there.

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[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So we dont buy US military kit. It's got kill switches and hard to keep running without their support. It's increasing looking like they aren't aligned with the free world.

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[–] oyzmo@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I'm just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.

[–] catty@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

all of which is advantageous for putin.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, in a democracy it's important that people who want this can try to make it happen via official procedure, which this is.

That said, the people who want this are assholes and probably in bed with Russia.

[–] IceFoxX@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (4 children)

That is the problem with democracies - they have no active protection of their own because it would be undemocratic on principle.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago (4 children)

US: "NATO members need to up their defense spending!"

NATO: "Okay, we'll do it."

US: "Actually, We're leaving NATO." 🤡

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[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 110 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Honestly, the American far-right unknowingly dismantling US global hegemony piece by piece is pretty sick

[–] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 3 days ago (9 children)

they’re doing it very knowingly… they wrote an entire nearly 1000 page fucking document detailing exactly what they’re doing in excruciating detail.

the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous. lots of these fuckers are quite intelligent and conniving. you should be weary.

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago
[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)

And then Russia can do whatever the fuck they want. Which is what daddy Trump wants.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 15 points 2 days ago

Oh trump's definitely not the "daddy" in this relationship.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Not really. European NATO countries are currently strong enough to repel a Russian attack if we so wish. Taking into account how strong the Russia is at the moment. It will be stronger in the future, but we are easily able to increase our strength more than the Russia can.

And if USA withdraws from NATO, then the rest of EU, not only Finland, Baltics, Sweden, and Poland will be forced to take defence seriously. This will make NATO more like it was supposed to be, and it will no longer be used for offensive wars.

But... USA withdrawing from NATO would of course have negative sides:

  • a war with the Russia would not end in two days with a decisive victory for us as it would with USA in, but would drag on for weeks at least, likely years. And thousands or tens of thousands would die.
  • USA's allies in Asia would not dare to trust USA anymore and would turn towards China for coöperation, regardless of China's imperialism. This would make China stronger, which would be bad for Europe.

But still: The EU is the biggest economy on this planet. We are absolutely able to win a war against a country with an economy only as big as one of our 27 member states. We just need to bother to do so. Which means we'll need to change our mindset. Heh.

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[–] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Meanwhile Rutte just said the other day that he trusts that Donald is committed to said alliance XD

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Mike Lee floats a lot of turds, even in excess of what the standard put out. He's been agitating against NATO membership practically since his first day in the Senate, along with his close friend Rand Paul.

This bill won't even make it out of committee, unless Lee can get a bug in Trump's ear over it.

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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Mike Lee is a notoriously despicable person even by GOP standards and the bill doesn't have any legs. Like, just a week ago he said terrible things about the Minnasotan politicians who were shot dead in their homes, and he's also the one who was pushing to sell off public lands (which he was bullied out of; also seems to be in the pocket of the Mormon cult).

The US stance on NATO is complicated under the current US regime but I doubt it'll be by this assholes bill.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Try the US stance on China, ever heard of "strategic ambiguity"?

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2023/march/strategic-ambiguity-taiwan-has-run-its-course

It basically means as long as the US interests align with getting cheap labor and items from China, it's the best, until it isn't.

What a beacon of the international rules-based-order. No wonder the world looks up to ~~American Values~~ strategic bombers...

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Meanwhile, Putin and Russia is cheering this on. The parties they are going to throw are going to be absolutely epic. You’ve heard the party of the decade, you’ve heard of the party of the century, get ready for the party of the millennium.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Of course NATO is not a trusted organization to an administration consisting exclusively of Russian agents.

Seriously, are we sure these assholes even speak English and have English names or is there some cover-up going on?

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 276 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (21 children)

Look how stupid your country is, to hand the death of NATO to Putin because you’re on his side.

Thanks for the war and death and heat, Americans.

Fuck you.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 129 points 3 days ago (11 children)

We're pretty pissed off at ourselves right now too. I'm sorry things got this far and wish I could offer more than fear and frustration...

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[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 99 points 3 days ago (2 children)

As directed by Vladamir Putin.

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[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 133 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Just removing the US from another world stage

Soon we will be completely irrelevant

Which is the plan

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[–] Zezzoz@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

USA showing again how they are traitors and cowards.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 76 points 3 days ago (9 children)

They want out because it's stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.

US: We want you to spend more on defence!
Europe: Ok, we will buy more, from our own companies!
US: That's not what I meant! I'm going home!

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[–] TemplaerDude@lemm.ee 36 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Mike Lee is obviously a fucking traitor lol Americans stand up for your country and shoot the motherfucker

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[–] carlossurf@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago

Gotta make daddy putin happy

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Does the bill include all military installation closures and those that are on European territories? For example Greenland. If MAGA wants out, then GTFO and I do not want hear any crying afterwards because that will give the Europeans every excuse not purchase US made weapons. I'm certain US MIC lobbyists will weasel their way in to tear apart the bill.

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[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

wow, even after NATO members helped US.

[–] Bravo@eviltoast.org 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yep, the USA likes to complain about Europe being security freeloaders, but the only member to ever invoke Article 5 was the USA.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

So is it their goal to turn the US into an irrelevant backwater or what?

So far they've introduced bills that diminish their own military force, decimated global trading relationships, now they're trying to back out of the final commitments they have left. By the time 2030 rolls around no one will want to be president because they'll have no power.

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