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TextAI is so fucked. For so many reasons. Flooding us with slop and scams, destroying the usable internet, taking people's jobs, accelerating climate change, disseminating misinformation and fascist propaganda, violating people's privacy, hampering people's ability to think critically...

It's alsk being used to sexually harrass and exploit people. If you've ever posted a pic of a human online, some fucking creep could be making porn with it right now, without your consent. Pics of you, your family, your kids. And they try to convince us there are good use cases for it. \ ‪ What I find insidious is that they sell us this evil technology via funny little trends. Make a doll of yourself, Ghibli-fy your pictures... Or convenience, ai overviews, respond to emails for you... And the normies playing with it have no fucking clue they are being used to train it, to hone it.
‪ And every time someone insists this tech is inevitable, don't fight it, it's here to stay, I just feel this pit in my stomach growing, I'm sickened by a world so apathetic and lacking in humanity. Fight this! Stop letting them kill your soul!
‪ The world doesn't have to be this way. We don't have to indulge the cruelest among us.
‪ Like do you think the people who casually play with it would feel differently knowing that by using it they are improving the technology used to generate cp? Should we just start telling them that point blank? Like, I know you probably didn't know this, buuuuut...

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[–] tane6@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago

Everyone on dot world needs the old fbi hard drive scan imo

[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 2 days ago

Pardon me if I don't find this argument compelling...

[–] deikoepfiges_dreirad@lemmy.zip 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Its not helpful to discredit a technology by saying it helps generate porn/csam. This is just a cheap way to moralise the issue, which is used all the time e.g. to justify mass surveillance, shutting down any objections as supporting child abuse.

AI should be opposed because it concentrates power in the hands of tech oligarchs.

[–] WhyIAughta@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

At the end of the day we are fast tracking the fall of the free world, free speech and our society.

The progression of ai along with all the data we give willfully allows them to reinforce our shackles, target us individually, squash dissidents, quiet the masses, gaslighting us and lying to us using tailored social media.

We are going to lose everything, it’s been in the works for a while. “Capitalism sparks innovation” it’s because innovation wreaks profit and profit wreaks power and control.

These companies and governments that run us and ai that monitor and exploit us at the end of the day will take everything from us. We will end up in a dystopian nightmare unlike one we could even imagine.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

War is bad, we should all just stop it guys.

[–] tane6@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

^ check this guys hard drive

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Hmm, I see you using words there. Know who else uses words? Pedophiles.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hands are used by the bad guys to create cp, have you cut your hands off yet?

This is an impassioned but somewhat unhinged rant. I sympathize with it but thinking rationally you can’t just make it illegal and expect all the bad things to go away. It’s already illegal to make revenge porn or pornographic material without the subjects consent. It’s already illegal to create and share csam. Making AI illegal isn’t going to make those things super duper illegal and magically make them go away forever.

As far as AI displacing human jobs, I agree its usage by corporations needs to be regulated and taxed so that displaced workers get paid a human dividend. Eventually we’d all need a human dividend as a UBI if AI does what the bros say it will.

Guns are used by bad guys to kill people, are we gonna let shopkeeps tell us they won't sell after doing some background check—oh wait.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

AI isn’t “fascist propaganda” any more than the printing press was. They're blaming a tool for the actions of people.

Yes, there are serious issues: privacy, misinformation, exploitation; but reducing it all to “AI is evil” is lazy, alarmist nonsense.

They're not critiquing tech; they're moralizing to a crowd that already agrees with them. If you want change, start making arguments, not doomposts.

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 5 points 2 days ago

The sad fact: it's lukewarm at best, but people are committed to reheating it.

[–] akademy@lemm.ee -4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

You haven't argued against any points. This is a long list of real problems with AI, and you simply dismiss them with "doompost".

And at no point did they say "evil". It's just vastly negative.

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 11 points 2 days ago

They say using it is contributing to the creation of CP. This is akin to claiming using/buying/improving cameras is contributing to the creation of cp as they use cameras to take the pictures. Should we have just not invented photography, printers, the internet etc just because it facilitates the creation and distribution of cp?

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Read it again. They do call it evil lol.

  • First sentence of their third post.

I didnt dismiss it as 'simply' doom posting,

  • I agreed; there is a lot of serious issues at play here.

I did argue a point; my point:

  • This is alarmist doom-posting. "REJECT THE INEVITABLE". Famous last words before getting trampled by the passage of time.

I'm sure the horseshoe makers, telephone switchboard operators, and scribes all feel your pain.

[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"REJECT THE INEVITABLE". Famous last words before getting trampled by the passage of time.

You don't even want to, though. Like, you're a scab. Why would I listen to a scab?

Jeff Bezos presents: Global Warming might be inevitable, but I will boil the oceans with my rage and bring them to the front doorstep of his escape bunker concrete coffin when the waters take me.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Lemmy when someone uses AI to get a cheap ($0.001 worth of electricity), instant answer instead of spending 20 minutes wading through SEO sludge and AI-generated garbage designed to maximize page time:

“Nooo! It’s destroying the planet!”

Lemmy when someone powers Doom: Dark Ages with a nuclear reactor on a $20,000 RGB space heater:

“Based.”

[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Me, when I spend 20 dollars on a movie ticket:

"Wow, that was cool! Isn't art fun?"

Me, when I put 20 dollars in a toilet and flush it:

"Noooo! Spending money is bad! >:c"

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Hey man, its your $20. Do whatever you want with it lol.

[–] tarknassus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

What I find insidious is that they sell us this evil technology via funny little trends.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The world doesn’t have to be this way. We don’t have to indulge the cruelest among us.

Most of human history would tend to disagree. If there’s one thing we do consistently it’s indulge cruelty.

[–] some_dude@lemm.ee 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I kind of ranted to someone about this the other day.

If humans set the rules of society, and by those rules pieces of human shit float to the top, what does that say about us as a whole? We value greed, selfishness, authority, moral corruption.

[–] nantsuu@fedia.io 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Or maybe the shitty people break the rules of society and most people are just too cowardly to say anything (sometimes understandably so).

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The rules of society say we’re not allowed to hurt the shitty people.

Which sounds like they were written by the shitty people and we should also ignore the rules.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 2 days ago

All unjust laws should be broken whenever possible.

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I swear, anti-AI people like this are the modern day reactionary Luddites.

It's a pandora's box that has been opened, you can't simply just "Fight this! Stop telling them kill your soul!" - how does one fight AI exactly, by screaming into social media? Begging politicians to ban it or something even though the fundamental system we live in puts corporate interests above everything else (and for cases when they do go too far the best you can hope is a fine or some compromise)?

Also, it's important to realize that all the evils attributed to the AI at the top aren't inherent to the AI, but rather symptoms of our current system of commodity-production and wealth-accumulation. The blame is being pointed at the wrong thing here. let me give some examples:

  • Slop isn't inherent to the AI, low-effort content that's quick to produce has been the meta of online content creation if one wants to maximize clicks/ad revenue for the labor used to create the video. Scams too - AI or no AI they've always been there. Sure, with AI there's more of it but I argue the issue lies with slop and scams being viable in the first place. Same applies for the "Destroying the usable internet" point.

  • Taking people's jobs is part of technological advancement, and is a good thing given how that labor sector is now fully automated, meaning humans don't need to work on it anymore and can use their gained time freely. However we live under Capitalism where this is a negative due to how fundamentally wages and skilled labor work. Be angry at the system for being nonsensical, not at a machine that alleviates labor.

  • It's accelerating climate change like any factory, and the problem comes not from the existence of the factory, but from the commodity model that leads to overproduction, and therefore creation of more CO2 than is necessary for human life to thrive.

  • Misinformation and "Fascist" propaganda has existed without AI, and to even create it using AI there need to be people thinking about the message and spreading it - it's not something AI can create autonomously and is rather a byproduct of liberal democratic system.

  • Violation of privacy is up to social medias and governments, not AI's.

[–] topherclay@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think the original luddites would mostly agree with you. They didn't destroy machines because they hated machines, they destroyed machines because it was the only way to affect the people who were accumulating the wealth and power that was previously allowing the luddites to feed themselves.

Your argument seems to be"don't hate the technology, hate the oppressors and the impressive system instead" which is the same stance the non-moddern luddites had.

[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Your argument seems to be"don't hate the technology, hate the oppressors and the impressive system instead" which is the same stance the non-moddern luddites had.

Thats also one of the reasons we're fed propaganda that the luddites wanted to destroy the technology instead of the oppressors wielding it. Gotta poison the minds while we're young so we don't realize they had the right idea.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

AI's issues are not the inherent issues of capitalism. In fact, AI is the byproduct of capitalism. I have a feeling that the Curtis Yarvin types pushed this genAI bullshit onto us, to "destroy the cathedral", as techbros hate the humanities, which include the arts.

The right in general loves to hijack leftist causes to promote their own bullshit. Most of your counterpoints are just a further step on that. Capitalists would say we need the AGI to solve the climate crisis.

AI differs in many ways. If I wanted to ragebait antisemitic boomers that Osama Bin Laden, George Bush, and Barack Obama are Jews and are secretly good friends of each other, I had to hunt down an image of three Jewish rabbi, and photos of the other three subjects in the correct angle and lighting conditions, all top on learning how to do photoshop. There were people already trying to create fake photorealistic CP with heavy editing. Hell, there were even those, who outright just traced CSAM as accurately as possible. All of these required skill. Meanwhile AI only requires some prompting, which not only reduces creativity to "being the idea guy" (and according to my connections, that's what these things were made for), but also the creating of such material. Only thing you need is how to jailbreak the robot in some circumstances, you also usually get enough free tries to do enough damage.

AI is like giving away free machineguns on the street, complete with trying to stop people until they take the machine gun, and if that fail, secretly hanging them onto people's bags.

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

AI's current form is shaped by capitalist interests just like most other technological advancement under this system, so it is in a way a byproduct of it, I agree. Still, a lot of the problematic parts that people complain about are consequences of the system's inherent incentives, rather than something new AI creates.

The assertion that it's some kind of a plot to destroy humanities such as arts is something I've always found to be questionable. Many Anti-AI people portray the creation of art as something people do purely for fun as a form of expression and different from labor, but that's simply not true. Pretty much every artist has to rely on Patreon backers, commissions, streaming their process for donations to get by, there's a direct incentive to draw what's popular or makes money rather than what one wants to draw for fun. In other words, art has been commodified already which makes it no different from other kinds of labor and it is what AI art essentially tries to replace not unlike how textile mechanization replaced manual sewing for the masses. Despite that, hand-sewing for more niche clothes or items is still alive and well, and I doubt AI will end up killing off the purely-for-the-passion types of art, even if it sadly ends up decreasing the number of artists actively practicing their craft.

As for the ease of access, I fully agree - deepfakes, content for misinformation and the like have been on the internet for a while, and AI turbocharges the amount of these that can be produced making the situation much worse. It's definitely one of the only good anti-AI arguments.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is how all new technology works. It's new and scary for some. It can be used for both good and bad.

And it might succeed or fail at the end. I'm not afraid.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's the same approach we took to CFCs

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 2 days ago

Hahahaha true. Luckily the worst thing that now can happen is that we either burn down earth due to the power hungry GPUs.

And/or AI is taking over the world and kill all humans. Either way we are dead.

[–] joshcodes@programming.dev 9 points 2 days ago

I'm aware this is a huge nitpick, but call it csam not cp. It's exploitative and depicts abuse and should be labelled that whenever it's mentioned.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

I'm starting to think this is the point these days. Maybe not in the beginning, but nowadays they seem to not only be pushing it harder but are straight up ignoring the obvious issues. Like, they don't even acknowledge the issues anymore. And the US government, the country where most of these companies are based, is not only ignoring the issue, but actively making it harder to regulate and easier to abuse. And I'm sure they welcome the misinformation created as a godsend.

There is no solution, the tech industry and venture capital will make us use AI in everything. Paying with my wallet doesn't work because every tech company wants me to use AI no matter what. I try to get rid of every product that adds AI elements but they keep on coming. This tech is inefficient and wastes money but the investors want a profit and they will get it with or without your consent and with no repercussions either way.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

The cruelest in society are always supported by the dumbest in society