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[–] [email protected] 114 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

And "rest of your life" means you dying from work related health issues at fifty, of course.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

If you make it there; you won't have a union and labor protections will be struck down in kangaroo courts, OSHA safety requirements being insufficient or insufficiently enforced were already a main driver of people not wanting to work these kobs--and that was before the current and future dismantling of OSHA related rules.

Also, how are you going to get 90k when federal minimum wage is what is was in 2009? Many of the southern states have even passed "counter-wage" laws forbidding the state from passing it's own improved min wage law--truly hateful of the average person.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

So they're saying they want us to die on the job. That might be okay for some but I still want to at least pretend to retire before I croak

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

Otto von Bismarck moment.

(Context: dude instated pretty much the first pensions system in the world to try and stop the Marxists gaining influence, and allegedly asked the guy in charge of making the program to set the retirement age at a value where most of the population would die before reaching it. Iirc they settled on 70 years old, which is definitely too old for the average 19th century factory peon)

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I have a better idea. I call it guillotine justice. Everyone finds the wealthiest 100 people in their county and introduces them to the guillotine of justice. The homes, land and wealth of the recently deceased wealthy bastards become communal property. Many of the rich bastards own hundreds of houses and thousands of acres of land. We don't need to worry about grocery bills if we have community farms. The rent would go down dramatically with all the free houses available and rich people will be selling or giving away their excess wealth to keep from being picked in the next round of guillotine justice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

We don’t need to worry about grocery bills if we have community farms

We have to worry about farming though.

The prices of agriculture commodities are so low that things will be more expensive after a revolution. Think illigal immigrants picking fruits, they will receive fair wages, won't they?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

Yes, they will. You know what else will happen with community farms?

  1. You don't need to long-haul your produce thousands of miles.

  2. You reduce fossil fuel usage associated with transportation and refrigeration.

  3. You significantly cut packaging waste (plastic wraps, cartons, trays).

  4. You eliminate or drastically reduce food spoilage during transit.

  5. You lower dependency on chemical preservatives needed for extended shelf life.

  6. You avoid industrial-scale pesticide and herbicide use that damages ecosystems.

  7. You decrease water waste from large-scale irrigation systems.

  8. You eliminate excessive food processing required for preservation and transport.

  9. You prevent large-scale soil degradation and erosion due to monoculture practices.

  10. You reduce greenhouse gas emissions from heavy machinery and vehicles.

  11. You minimize biodiversity loss caused by vast monocrop fields.

  12. You eliminate food waste from standardized aesthetic requirements (rejecting imperfect produce).

  13. You avoid the environmental harm and fossil fuel use from massive refrigerated storage facilities.

  14. You reduce deforestation and habitat destruction associated with industrial farming expansion.

  15. You significantly lower the risks of large-scale disease outbreaks and contamination.

  16. You reduce reliance on genetically modified crops engineered solely for transport durability.

  17. You prevent nutrient loss in produce caused by prolonged storage and transport times.

  18. You reduce economic vulnerabilities associated with centralization and supply-chain disruptions.

  19. You mitigate community health risks by providing fresher, nutrient-rich produce.

  20. You reduce noise, air, and water pollution associated with industrial farming machinery and processes.

children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange.And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot

Community farms are precisely about correcting this injustice. There's so much watse in "profit", and profit keeps growing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why is your default mode of thinking of these farms that they should operate under capitalism and exploitation? Why guillotine the capitalists and take their golf courses and estates to make community farms if we're just going to continue capitalism?

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You keep hearing some members of this administration talk about automation and robots for factory jobs, and also AI for office jobs. If the press were at all smart they would continually ask these morons to keep explaining this contradiction. But I would love hear what they think will happen if everyone in the country loses their job. It's not going to be good for the %.01 either.

Oh yeah, only right wing brown-nosers have White House press credentials anymore.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That would require the media to not be owned by the same kind of people that own the factories.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Or afraid of losing access. They keep throwing soft balls because they’re worried about being banned from press conferences and interviews.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago

The worst job I ever had had was right after I got out of the military and went home. I needed a job and a buddy of mine worked in a place that made custom logo hats and jackets for various businesses. His job was to ship the finished products out. The job I got was on the floor sewing the little cardboard backing that the hat bill is sewn onto. I did this for a summer in an unair-conditioned room full of mostly older Asian women that were quite demanding about quality control. The repetitiveness of it was truly maddening.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The reason Trumps idea appeals to people for those unaware is that free trade destroyed a lot of union jobs, which were outsourced to emerging markets. After the industrial revolution unions fought for worker rights and salaries, and they were then shipped away to places that didnt have those rights, and they want to see a reversal of this.

Not sure if its right or wrong, but you cant fault them for holding out hope, its actually a left wing ideal I would say, large government protectionism interfering in the free market. Saying that all factory jobs are bad is a silly retort, there are many factory jobs in the US already that people are happy to have; even ASML making advanced semiconductor fabs is a "factory job".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Saying that all factory jobs are bad is a silly retort,

Who's saying that?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

These people live in the delusion of the 1950's being a Golden Utopia of America. Minorities knew their place, gays stayed in Narnia, women kept their mouths shut and stayed in the kitchen, kids were mindless obedient extensions of their fathers, and everything was just... Perfect.

Except for the high income taxes. Fuck that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's been clear from the start that they only want to make things 'great' for greedy cunts.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You're right about them wanting to go back to the 50s, but I'm not sure it isn't the 1850s or even the 1750s..

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And the economy is planned for 5 years at a time to keep those jobs this stable, yes?

Each time this guy opens his trap, he proves that when you hire clowns, you get a circus.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago

He is the proof, that time travel is real. They got a feudal lord from the middle ages to cosplay as that guy.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I see these MAGA morons getting excited about the return of high-paying manufacturing jobs, because they have absolutely no Critical Thinking Skills, and they haven't asked themselves the most basic question - if corporations have the opportunity to rebuild the manufacturing base in America, why would they recreate the model that sent manufacturing overseas in the first place? Wouldn't they use this unique opportunity to create an entirely new model? And would that model benefit the workers, or the corporation?

The simple facts are, there will be two models in the new American manufacturing environment. The first will be factories that will rely heavily on automation/ robotics, and need very few humans. The second will be modeled after Asian sweatshops, with low pay, no benefits, forced overtime with no OT pay, child/teen labor, no health/safety/environmental regulations, etc.

The MAGA Nazis know this, but they are still selling the fantasy of high-paying factory jobs that even a stupid MAGA can do. I get that, they are disengenuous to the core, but why aren't Dems or the media screaming about this, and asking MAGA Nazis in every interview?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

Nothing you tell a MAGA, that doesn't sound like you worship their dear leader, will sink into their thick skulls.

They could literally be chained to a sewing machine working the 95th hour that week, paid $1 per hour and they would still claim they were winning (or at least owning the libs).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

I see these MAGA morons getting excited about the return of high-paying manufacturing jobs, because they have absolutely no Critical Thinking Skills

No, most have never worked an actual manufacturing, or trade job in their lives, and the ones who have want to distance themselves from that embarrassing "Peasant Work" episode at all costs.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Children make good factory slaves. Now I understand why they got rid of the department of education.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The traditional education system was actually designed specifically to prepare children for factory work. Enforce strict schedules, you arrive when we tell you, you eat when we tell you, you pee when we tell you, you leave when we tell you. The bell is king, and determines your whole day. Deviation from the bell’s schedule is to be punished and ridiculed.

It sounds like hyperbole, but modern education is literally based on the schools that factory owners set up for their workers’ kids, to groom the kids to work in the factory when they were old enough.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The factory owners just copied that from the Prussian model that was meant to train children to be good soldiers. Not that that was any better...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Brainwash them from childhood that it's "Normal," and most will never think it's not.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, this is what this government promised. The issue is that the voters just took it in

[–] [email protected] 56 points 4 days ago (4 children)

That poll showing 80% of voters want manufacturing jobs to come back to America but 20% of voters would willingly choose to work a factory job says everything.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, it says why are we schlepping parts all over the world to be assembled by poors in SEA, when we got our own poors stuck in the middle of the country with nothing to do but meth and fentanyl.

/s

On a more serious note, moving manufacturing back to the states will take some stupid number of years even if they start now, just to build the factories and the associated infrastructure. If only voters hadn't let the capitalist class gut domestic manufacturing in the first place...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

moving manufacturing back to the states will take some stupid number of years even if they start now

Now, come on. I've been to Bethlehem, PA! The facility is just sitting there waiting to be used!

/s

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

People would work factory jobs, if they were good paying jobs.

If you could own a home, afford groceries, raise a family, save for retirement, and take a modest family vacation, there would be lines out door applying for these jobs.

But these aren't the factory jobs of the 1950s, those kind of wages aren't coming back.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Yes please. Just give me job that pays me enough to live working 40 hours a week. Health insurance and an apartment without roommates. The ability to eat out on weekends. I’ll press a button for 40 hours or something.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They're still so certain we're having grandkids... Who's gonna tell them?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

It might not be you, but it will be children having children with abortion bans and lack of sex education.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Think I'll pass, bud. I've read The Jungle, I know how this ends.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

This take has got me hate before, but The Jungle is where I got my work ethic. I was 19, college American History. I was fucking appalled, but my take-away was, "Holy SHIT! He persevered though all that and kept going and going! BEASTLY!" (OK, it was the 90s: "GNARLY!")

I know that wasn't the intended lesson, but I was a changed man after reading that. No job, no matter how shitty, was tough enough to compare. Employment experience has always been, since then, working my ass off and quickly moving up to what I want to do.

Even my shit job at Lowe's, been there 3-months, moved up to what I wanted, full-time position opening the garden center. I have the best job out of all those fuckers, that fast. No ass kissing or nepotism, no buddies on site, just grit.

I've done this in many jobs. "Fuck I'm taking customer service calls forever, I want to train classes instead." Moved into that in 3-6 months, two different jobs. Slow as hell as an internet cable guy, but did perfect work. Moved into a QA/supervisory position in 4-months.

Anyway, yes, The Jungle is what these fuckers want us back to doing. And for anyone that hasn't read it, please do so now.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Hey, knowing the means of production in and out will be pretty valuable once the working class also own it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

And you, your kids and your grandkids will all work in the factory for minimum wage at the same time! A real family affair, whether you're an 80 year old or a 12 year old, there's factory work there for you!

I guess, since they're ~~careers~~ jobs for life, they're also saying that recessions like the one they're triggering right now will never happen again, because layoffs aren't going to be a thing. So that's.... um.... an interesting empty promise, anyways.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago

From age six until you drop dead. No schools required, whatever you need to do this job you will learn on the job.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

these idiots have been so spoonfed that they've mentally swapped factory jobs and union jobs, and think it's the factory bringing good conditions and satisfying work

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Wow the AI meme from earlier this week, with the humans inside and the robots painting and doing creative work, it became too real

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I actually don't want to work at a factory. I want robots to do that for me and I want the products to be cheap so I can buy cool stuff to do more interesting things.

Like I don't want to weld parts and stuff, I want to make lasers from those parts.

I don't want to melt glass. I want to use lenses to make images.

I don't want to dig for shit. I want to use that stuff to make rocket fuel.

We don't want factory jobs. We want technology jobs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

But someone, somewhere is doing the grunt work. We're nowhere near replacing manual labor. Hell, a robot with 10x our current capabilities couldn't do my dumbass job at Lowe's, and it certainly couldn't talk to customers with decades of DIY and plant experience.

And BTW, I'm with you on all the above. Bet we'd be tight.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

For life? Someone is delusional.

Maybe for 5 years, at most. Humans need food. Humans need breaks. Automated assembly machines? 24/7 production, no annual leave, no insurance plans, and no unionizing.

The up-front cost is much higher, but it's cheaper in the long run. Good luck keeping that factory job long enough to have kids, let alone pass it down to them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We'll, the article was about the jobs maintaining the robots, not humans building stuff in factories.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Lol the factories have been neglected for so long they aren't gonna be there.

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