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How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, the whole concept of "recycling" plastic feels more like a PR strategy than an environmental solution. If it were genuinely effective, we’d see investment, innovation, and accountability—like we do with metals. Instead, we’re handed the guilt while corporations keep pumping out garbage.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Much like the concept of a carbon footprint, it exists solely to make consumers think they can make an individual difference so they won't push for regulations

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Yeah I especially love that one everytime I fly. I get to choose the environmentally friendly option with lower carbon footprint for more money. Who the fuck they think they are kidding? We are all in the same plane burning fuel at 10000 m.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Its basically impossible to avoid too. Anything you buy comes packaged in plastic for the most part.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The price stuff can change through taxation that makes new plastic more expensive than recycled plastic.

As we all know, taxation is super popular and has never been controversial, ever.

At the very least flaskepant has worked great for like a century here in Norway. Always kind of surprising when other countries don't have it.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Most plastic can’t be recycled into something usable. Plastic degrades quite a bit with each recycling, leaving a bunch of microplastics behind (same thing with “biodegradable” plastic). It would be better to tax it enough (or ban it) to make it not used in certain applications.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

Should've made the producers responsible for collecting and processing all plastics they produce. It that makes certain products economically non viable, than that's on them to innovate better processes.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Have we considered calling it a tariff instead of a tax? Tariffs on all new plastic. It might work.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Being an old man this really gets me. I love the internet and the way computers today but there is a whole lot that worked fine before plastics were so common. Almost nothing in the grocery store had plastic and everything was pretty much as convenient as nowadays. Sure you had to pay a deposit on the glass bottles but you got it back when you returned them.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

That's still the way it works in Denmark, but with plastic bottles too. Something like 98% of all bottles are recycled.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (7 children)

If I had to choose glass or plastic, I am always choosing glass. Glass is such a good material. It is infinitely recyclable, the bottles can be reused for several years, and if they are buried they don't release microplastics.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Really annoyed to have believed in plastic recycling even into my thirties. Being an idiot is such a burden sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ignorance is only bliss if you never find out. Rookie mistake.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

I wrote a school report on the plastic garbage patches (pacific, indian, north atlantic, south pacific) when I was still in my twenties. Maybe it was a coincident, but I had a real big depression around that time, so maybe ignorance would've been preferable.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Right now it looks like paper and metal recycling is still good as far as I can read in two minutes. If someone has a correction let me know.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Correct. Paper (PS: or at least brown cardboard), glass and alu will always be great candidates for recycling.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Aluminum is the poster child for recycling, really. It takes more energy to extract it from the ore than it is to recycle it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Former aluminum process engineer: This^

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah same and I hate when people just say well might as "well not recycle at all then" :/ that kind of defeatism doesn't help either

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

That is the point at which you remind them they are focusing on the worst R and remind them of the other two which are much more ppwerful

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Maybe i should recommend DDD instead of RRR 🤫 lotta assholes running around still doubling down on dooming everybody

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yup! Those things are easy (comparatively) to recycle because they're single material items, so the process is:

  • clean
  • break down / melt
  • rebuild

"Plastic" is thought of as a single material, but even vegetable packaging will be made of around 5-10 different polymers, so for it to be valuable, you need to break it down back to those original polymers.

It's not a issue with recycling as a whole, its specific to plastic as a material.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

there have been several articles exposing plastic recycling as green washing. unfortunately they never make it to mainstream media

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/24/1131131088/recycling-plastic-is-practically-impossible-and-the-problem-is-getting-worse

i saw a chart somewhere showing less than 1% of plastic in use today is recycled but I can't find it now

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Sad that NPR is not considered "mainstream" these days. Maybe Joe Rogan will post something to Facebook about it?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

NPR is definitely mainstream

I think the word you're looking for is "corporate" or "for-profit". Thats what they're not.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (11 children)

And this is how capitalism eats itself. Nothing can be done without a market incentive, including not suffocating our planet to death.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

How to get politicians to change views:

Plastic causes ed and shrinkage

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

I wonder how much the oil industry subsidies are responsible for making recycled plastic more expensive than the new one...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Recycling rates are low, but I wouldn't quite call it a myth. There's a lot of materials that get lumped together as 'plastic', that each have to be handled differently.

Some are relatively non-toxic and easily recycled. More can be, but aren't profitable without incentives. Some are very toxic, and recycling those are difficult. Then there's a lot of rarer types that make it hard to collect and sort. There's also mixed materials, where it's hard to separate the plastic to recycle.

Generally everyone should be minimizing plastics, but check how they're handled locally so you know what's recylable.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It seems there's been a flip. The myth is now that plastic is not recycled and it's all been a lie which is the actual lie.

The information around what types of plastics are easily recycled has never been a secret.

There is this weird mindset where people, often children are given a simplified explanation of things and then feel they were lied to when they find out their is nuance.

The entire world of information works this way. If the nuance was included from the start no one would learn anything because they would be bogged down in details. Every topic is a Wikipedia like rabbit hole with no bottom. It's what we have specialization in society.

The issues with plastic are not in its recycling. It's that is breaks down into what are essentially forever chemicals. This is the dilemma.

Producing less plastic because it's not recyclable is bad messaging.

Producing less plastic because it creates a substance that will last for eons is the problem. We've known about this property for decades but the repercussions of it have become more pronounced.

We need to stop making more plastic and work out how to chemically dissessemble the plastics already created without creating a worse output.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The sad thing is, only types 1 & 2 plastics are recyclable in any real fashion, and sometimes not even then.

That means types 3 through 7 are better disposed of in the trash, where at least they’ll be sealed into a landfill instead of being shipped overseas to end up somewhere far less environmentally secure.

These types are the numbers inside the recycling symbol. Many things are mixed and matched - a plastic bottle might be a type 1 (recyclable), yet its screw-on cap is typically a type 5 (largely non-recyclable). Always try to find the recycling symbol and dispose of anything not a type 1 or 2 in the trash.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

#7 isn’t even a material, rather “other.”

PS (#6) and plastic films can be recycled at dedicated drop offs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It depends. My municipality recycling bins take type 5.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I can absolutely guarantee that it is either

  1. Burned for power generation
  2. Disposed of in a landfill
  3. Exported to a foreign country

Only about 0.5-2% of all “recycled” polypropylene is actually recycled in North America, in places where it is accepted for recycling.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

True, fair enough.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The biggest issue seems to be around a lake of thinking. Recycling used plastics into more plastic is certainly energetically infeasible, and letting plastics escape to contaminate the environment is also unacceptable. However plastic can be recycled, or perhaps reused, into other things, notably as a partial replacement for aggregate in concrete. This process is low energy, doesn't require sorting the plastic, and actually enhances the thermal and noise insulation properties of the concrete, whilst also reducing it's overall weight. There are undoubtedly other things a stable, non-biodegradable, waterproof and hardwearing substance could be used for given some though.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The more I see plastic being integrated into construction, the more I worry we're just postponing the inevitable. Concrete, stone and steel and basically reusable or recyclable and low impact on the environment when dumped. Plastic on the other hand slowly degrades into microplastics and seeps into waterways. Sometimes we forget that buildings don't last forever.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The good news is that global warming (I prefer to call it Anthropogenic Runaway Global Heating because of the acronym) is going to completely fuck us all anyway, to the extent that plastic in the environment isn't going to matter by comparison. At least oil turned into plastic and buried isn't oil turned into CO2.

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