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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

IIRC there are ways to greatly speed this up by selectively planting certain fast growing trees to attract certain birds that will poop all over your lawn thus planting certain seeds. Basically you skip the first two steps with free bird poop. I think it was an old rail siding in London somewhere... or something like that. They planted a single willow tree that attracted the birds and BOOM ~~head shot~~ habitat.

https://www.rhs.org.uk/shows-events/rhs-urban-show/urban-gardening/guerrilla-gardening

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/sylvia-wilde-a-forest-garden-primer

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's really interesting! Do you have any links or more info on this process?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'll try to find tho links when I have time. Remembering it more, it was I think "anarchist gardening" or something like that. It was a I think the side of a man made ravine that was in stage 1 or 2, so they sped things up a little to make it more habitable.

These aren't the links I was looking for, but they speak of the same thing. Really the one I remember is just one act from one person in what is now a large movement colloquially known as "Guerilla Gardening".

https://www.rhs.org.uk/shows-events/rhs-urban-show/urban-gardening/guerrilla-gardening

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/sylvia-wilde-a-forest-garden-primer

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The forest garden description is very similar to what I have seen described as a “permaculture forest” elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Indeed, I think it's the same thing with the exception that one would be planting a permaculture forest in some sort disused urban area. I suppose "guerilla gardening" is more focused on smaller plants.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Basically you skip the first two steps with free bird poop.

Can i apply this to other areas as well, like building a house or something else?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Of course, but the steps you skip might not be the ones you want to skip. I.e. free bird poop would only come into effect after the house was built progressing between the step of removing a human centred habitat and the gradual growth of a normal habitat.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Okay so where can I grow something that won't be full of ticks?

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Basically, how can we, as humans, use our propensity for destroying entire species, but do it for the power of good, on purpose so we can eliminate ALL TICKS FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH‽

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe we can breed super mosquitos to eat the ticks or something

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why do you choose violence?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Violence isn't the answer. It's a question, and the answer is "yes".

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Choosing to get rid of the ticks is already choosing violence.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Get a colony of fire ants and then feed them meth and hgc

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You foster a family of possums at the same time.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

You're going to have ticks in the native area too, especially the marginal zones. They love those. Ticks are native, unfortunately. Remediating your land for native insects' benefit will actually be better for ticks than having an acre of 2" turf grass, but that's just because short lawns are totally ecologically dead.

When I was more uninformed I was more of a purist. The more I've done on my own property, and the more I've consulted with experts, the more I've learned that it's actually a balance between human needs and ecology. Now I'm sort of in the "if planting turf grass by your house is what you need to be on board with the rest of it, fine."

We can't promise people ticks will go away, more like teach people the critical value of native insects. Keep tall grass away from your house, sure, but think about walkways instead of acres of lawn for the rest of it. People plant lawns and call Mosquito Joe to fog it all so "their children can play" but consider your children living in a world with no bugs at all. That's the trade off. IMO it's a lot more scary than ticks, and I fucking hate ticks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (5 children)

One of my relatives' primary concerns isn't ticks, it's mice getting into the house. Is that a valid concern? Personally I think just keeping a couple of indoor cats would offset encroaching rodents.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Depends on that cat.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

In my experience if you have access points for mice they will get in whether you have a suburban turf grass lawn or not, and a cat can't get them if they are in the walls or crawlspace. So the best bet is to seal up any holes and keep all vegetation, native or not, at least a couple of feet away from the house.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

it kinda does both, there are more mice but the more naturalized habitat gives them more places to hide that isnt your house, especially in the spring/summer fall, but winter too. I dont know, others get mice all the time anyway, we occasionally do, i dont know if it's an improvement or not. I do know that a well sealed house in the woods with totally native habitat for acres (not mine sadly, lol) has far fewer pests than in any suburb house so i think there's merit.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm required to keep a 100 ft perimeter of defensible space around my house, so I do need to clear quite a bit. I try to leave as much otherwise, recently (5 ish years) I had considerable sprouting of volunteer oaks. Probably 15 or so across my property, not sure if that's indicative of the land being healthier but we get a decent amount of wild mushrooms as well.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hehe. The image makes it look like pine matures to oak and hickory.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

this is now canon in the pokemon universe

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Tallpine evolved into Oakollossal.

Oakollossal wants to learn Acorn Drop.

Forget a move to learn Acorn Drop?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For a lawn or yard you don't have to go all the way to a forest to have a stablish ecosystem. Perennials can do a lot.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And actually in some places prarieland is probably more important for conservation.

In my case it was plant a couple of native fruit trees for me, dig a small perrenial pond and add some rocks so amphibians can feel safe, and sprinkle in seeds for native grasses, especially edible ones and let nature do it’s work. It was probably my favourite. Loved it.

Shame I don’t live there anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There's no way you're going to get Hickory growing naturally in your garden, unless your garden is in some very specific parts of the world.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is just an example of course. Succession can look differently and lead to very different results, depending on where exactly it is happening.

I'd also argue, that leaving your garden alone to let succession run its course is not neccessarily the ideal to strive for. Even simply speeding up the process to get to the final stage isn't.

Gardens are a very different sort of ecosystem from an extended woodlands area and there are many ways to use them for human recreation and as a habitat for many species, that even exceed the biodiversity of the potentially naturally occuring ecosystem.
A trimmed suburban lawn is just one of the worst options.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So how do I skip the weeds and grasslands stages and go directly to mature oak-hickory forest, then?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

Millions of dollars, and taking them from elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Artificially plant and water the trees. Gather a lot or pile of branches for dead wood, one of the defining parts of an old growth forest.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (5 children)

What does the undergrowth of an oak hickory Forest look like? People can plant the trees, but how do you get the undergrowth?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Order a bunch of plants that are native to your region, plant the medium and shade loving varieties under the trees, see what sticks

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I tried that but the groundhogs and rabbits ate the native plants down to their stems

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Get a dog, mine love chasing off groundhogs and the like.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Try again but with groundhog and rabbit stew.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have 20 or so acres of woods behind me. Oak, 2 types of hickory, American beech, and black cherry.

It’s just dirt. These trees have thick ass canopies

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Forreal. Packed dirt later looks like... "Dirt." Then heavily compactes leaves and sticks. Then leaves. But it's mostly leaves all the way down. Nothing like trodding atop centuries of pressed organic leaves.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

A forest floor shouldn't be heavily compacted, that would also lead to the leaves breaking down instead of just laying there.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

this weekend we chiseled off the grass sod out of our backyard in preparation for planting native perennial species. it's all clay back there so it's going to take some soil prep.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Where I live you can't cut down a tree, and if it gets destroyed you need to pay thousands for a botanist to come out. I would never take the risk of planting a tree.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Yikes. One of those good in theory, but completely backfired ideas

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wish I could allow my yard to revert to the low brush it naturally was, problem is that a certain invasive weed from central fucking Asia would disagree. I blame the fucking Russians.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is it kudzu? Shit's everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As the other dude noted it's tumbleweed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I guess I learned our most cherished Western stereotype is actually central asian. And that we have a major problem of invasive species across all biomes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

tumbleweed?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Plant some trees to skip a few steps!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Huh, my back yard is a gradient of 1-4

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