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Saab confirms negociations with Portugal for Gripen as an alternative to F-35
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Wonderful, now Switzerland should follow suit.
The Gripen uses US-built engines iirc so itโs still a problematic buy for Europeans.
There is not machine with more than a 1000 parts that's wholly constructed within one country, alliance or continent.
Hell, China even make parts for the US military. https://fridayeveryday.com/us-outsources-its-anti-china-war-machine-to-china/
The Dassault Rafale uses Safran engines, right?
Well, the F35 uses European engines, so there's that.
No, thatโs only the VTOL variant for the marines (F35B). The regular F35 uses P&Ws if Iโm not mistaken.
The others still use European software for cockpit display, fuel management, on-board vehicle systems, Euripean made rear fuselages, and ejection seats.
it used to have a volvo engine but volvo aero got absorbed into a british conglomerate about 10 years ago.
point being, we can make the switch again.
The EU can (or rather, could) potentially make lots of things, the question is if there is sufficient political will to do it.
French multinational Safran is still making engines for airliners (with GE), Rafale fighters and Ariane rockets (with Airbus).
Recent events have increased political will significantly.
The Volvo one was a license built US engine.
If they want European the choice is the EJ200 that's on the Eurofighter. It's a little less powerful than the US one they're using, probably why they choose the is one. But apparently has room to become more powerful if they take on additional design work.
i don't know how much of the f404 was left in the rm12, it was pretty extensively modified.
It doesn't matter, it is still the foundation of the engine.
Never build an airplane without a powerplant.
Sincerely, F-14
I don't get it.
The original variant (A) of the F-14 was a turd because they built the aircraft before the actual intended powerplant was available. The engine it got was underpowered and temperamental and resulted in flameouts.
There's been several other aircraft that have been designed and built and then had the program scrapped because the engine to match the airframe never actually made it through development and/or certification.
If you start designing an airplane before you have a proper powerplant selected, it's probably gonna fail.
tbf seems like the Americans make some pretty good engines, even Airbus a320neo uses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_PW1000G United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_LEAP France/United States
No doubt, the problem has never been with the quality but with the fact that a hostile American regime can refuse to send spare parts. Which is not as troubling with civil aviation but certainly when weโre talking about our own militaries.
It's more than the spare parts in this case. The F35 system relies on networking to services located in the US in order to be fully operational, which can be alleviated with choosing Gripen.
I was talking about the Gripen regarding spares.
The F35 doesnโt necessarily has to be operated via systems in the US, only if you donโt buy the proprietary terminals to program its flight-Mission systems. Israel for example has bought the entire package including terminals and they are able to operate the jets without US involvements. EU countries however of course chose the cheap option without terminals.
I wonder what will happen to the collaboration between American GE and French Safran that makes the CFM under Trump.
Yes Portugal! Resist!