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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/42211261

Nato chief says continent cannot afford to replace American security umbrella

WTF Mark!

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[โ€“] Denixen@feddit.nu 40 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Is this even for real? We are not doing it just for fun, it is a necessity forced on us by Trump using the USA security leverage against us to conquer territory.

What the fuck does he want us to do? Just roll over and do what Trump wants? On whose side is he? Because he is not on Europe's side.

[โ€“] huppakee@piefed.social 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

On whose side is he? Because he is not on Europe's side.

He is on Nato's side, which is like 60% US' side and 40% Europe's side. Those numbers could be a bit off considering Nato didn't have sides until recently.

[โ€“] Denixen@feddit.nu 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's what I am thinking. NATO is a USA centered alliance for looking after US interests. European interest happened to coincide with theirs for a long time, but clearly the USA is growing increasingly disinterested. Europeans should probably take over most of it, make it a Europe centered alliance.

[โ€“] huppakee@piefed.social 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I was thinking we could keep the name if we focus on the north of the Atlantic, e.g. Greenland. Makes more sense to have loyal Canada as a member :)

[โ€“] Denixen@feddit.nu 2 points 5 days ago

Yeah the Arctic and North Atlantic are important to Europe without a doubt. No name change needed, just Europe taking more initiative, leadership and becoming more central in the organization.

Canada is a natural partner in the Arctic and North Atlantic. So is of course also the USA, but they cannot be trusted: (

[โ€“] mapto@feddit.bg 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The sad part is that Canada is probably in Europe's share in the numbers above.

[โ€“] huppakee@piefed.social 1 points 6 days ago

Yeah it's more like US' side and everybody else's side

[โ€“] AlexLost@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Yes, that's the angle he's being paid to spin. Don't think it will work, but a mans gotta get paid, ammirite?!

[โ€“] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

He want Europe to start actually spending on defense so the US isnโ€™t required for NATO to be a threat.

[โ€“] Denixen@feddit.nu 5 points 6 days ago

But he said that it is pointless to try, that it is too expensive to try to defend Europe without the USA. Read the article. He ridiculed the idea of European defence without the USA.