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The only people using human shields are the IDF
Dude, both sides are committing these war crimes
But the number of crimes is magnitudes greater committed by the Israelis
Really? The only "evidence" I've seen of Palestine using human shields is Israeli accusations, while I've seen multiple instances of video evidence, taken by Israel itself, of the IDF doing it.
This is unquestionably false.
You can make an extremely compelling argument about the horrors that the govt of Israel and the IDF are doing without resorting to obvious falsehoods made in defence of Hamas.
I’m not saying we need to adopt some “all sides bad” enlightened centrism bullshit. If you want to focus only on the atrocities of the govt of Israel because that’s your passion: go for it. Call them out for what they are.
But please don’t defend Hamas or pretend they aren’t also committing atrocities. They do use human shields, constantly. And the atrocities done by Hamas do not take away from the absolute horrors of what the government of Israel is actively committing.
When these falsehoods emerge, it makes the argument against Israel appear delusional and undercuts your implied objective. And it’s not necessary! There is so much widespread harm that we can point to, we don’t need spread falsehoods for that.
Speaking of obvious falsehoods, I'm going to ask you to provide a single verifiable report of Hamas using human shields from anyone not directly tied to the Israeli state.
Not the distortion of humanitarian law which assumes that the mere presence of unarmed people suspected of being affiliated with Hamas means any civilians around them are "shields", because unarmed people regardless of affiliation are not lawful combatants.
Not the absurd claim that suspected tunnels underneath civilians justify the massacre of those civilians in order to target military infrastructure.
Not the unverified testimonies of people with a history of fabricating lies on behalf of the Israeli government.
Just any single instance of someone in Hamas forcing a nearby civilian to endanger their life on their behalf, from a source that is not ultimately the Israeli government or military itself.
Quoting from the UN report "Anatomy of a genocide", I have edited out the annotations but there are sources for every single one of the claims listed if you would like to verify yourself:
The part of your question that I bolder here shows that you’re well aware that as I stated, Hamas uses human shields frequently. You just think that’s it’s justifiable, and you’re free to do that.
But don’t say it doesn’t happen. It happens every day.
No, I am well aware that the Israeli state has a long and well documented history of lying and fabricating evidence to support its genocidal goals. Just because Israel defines the entire civilian population as human shields does not make it so.
As I suspected, you will be unable to provide any independent sources or imagery of Hamas militants engaging in anything that would be recognized as human shielding under international law.
Conversely, I can provide several different examples from several different sources, which paint a clear and ongoing picture of flagrant war crimes being perpetrated by Israel. This is just the stuff that more closely aligns with "human shields", using civilians, as well as civilian structures, uniforms, and vehicles, for protection. Israel has been openly violating international law for decades, their disregard for Palestinian life and basic human rights is excruciatingly well documented.
You'll note that most of these articles do parrot all the lines from Israeli officials as their editorial boards force them to, some even repeat the claims of Hamas using human shields, but you will find none of those are tied to anything but Israeli testimonials. It's reported matter-of-factly without a shred of evidence. The Israeli crimes however, usually include video or photographic evidence of them being perpetrated.
Surely if the practice of human shielding was common for Hamas, it should be easy enough for you to provide at least one photo or video of this happening, right? All I ask is that you provide one such example, anything that shows this actually happening that isn't just an Israeli official, civilian, or militant saying it's happening. If it's common, it should not be hard to do.
Bruh it’s happened so much there’s an Israeli High Court case that specifically forbids the practice. Hasn’t prevented the practice, there are multiple documented instances, from different conflicts, that the Jewish group B’Tslem has a white paper on just the subject of IDF using human shields:
I am not saying that Israel and the IDF have not used human shields. They absolutely do and you’re 100% correct to condemn this. And I join you in this condemnation.
What am also saying is that people should stop lying in order to defend Hamas. Because you can condemn the govt of Israel without doing that. And the condemnation is more compelling when it’s not accompanied with lies of convenience.
Your comment here being a good example of how that’s done properly. Everything you said is true and it paints a damning picture that is impossible to argue against.
Except that they provided actual evidence of Israel using human shields, while all you've done is go "trust me bro, Israel would never lie to you"
I have repeatedly and consistently agreed that Israel uses human shields, because it is true.
You know just as well as I do that Hamas uses their own people as human shields. Their entire operation is to hide amongst their civilian population and infrastructure and use that as cover to attack and kill.
The difference is that you agree with the objectives of Hamas, and so you don’t want to acknowledge the horrors of the tactics they use. Seeing the situation as black and white with “your side” as the unassailable heroes and the “other side” as villains.
But I reject this childish outlook, because it’s not a movie it’s real life. The govt of Israel are indeed villains, but so are Hamas.
I see that there are still no links to evidence of Hamas using human shields in your post, and so I'm not reading it.
Citation needed.
That's a recent article. You may not have seen it.
Summary: every IDF group has a prisoner assigned to it.
It's a bit of hard read but it's out there.
What atrocities? You would think if it was actually bad Israel would allow freedom of press in Palestine. How many reporters have been injured or killed, and by whom?