Liquidate Musk
this post was submitted on 31 Mar 2025
490 points (98.2% liked)
Canada
9336 readers
1997 users here now
What's going on Canada?
Related Communities
🍁 Meta
🗺️ Provinces / Territories
- Alberta
- British Columbia
- Manitoba
- New Brunswick
- Newfoundland and Labrador
- Northwest Territories
- Nova Scotia
- Nunavut
- Ontario
- Prince Edward Island
- Quebec
- Saskatchewan
- Yukon
🏙️ Cities / Local Communities
- Calgary (AB)
- Comox Valley (BC)
- Edmonton (AB)
- Greater Sudbury (ON)
- Guelph (ON)
- Halifax (NS)
- Hamilton (ON)
- Kootenays (BC)
- London (ON)
- Mississauga (ON)
- Montreal (QC)
- Nanaimo (BC)
- Oceanside (BC)
- Ottawa (ON)
- Port Alberni (BC)
- Regina (SK)
- Saskatoon (SK)
- Thunder Bay (ON)
- Toronto (ON)
- Vancouver (BC)
- Vancouver Island (BC)
- Victoria (BC)
- Waterloo (ON)
- Windsor (ON)
- Winnipeg (MB)
Sorted alphabetically by city name.
🏒 Sports
Hockey
- Main: c/Hockey
- Calgary Flames
- Edmonton Oilers
- Montréal Canadiens
- Ottawa Senators
- Toronto Maple Leafs
- Vancouver Canucks
- Winnipeg Jets
Football (NFL): incomplete
Football (CFL): incomplete
Baseball
Basketball
Soccer
- Main: /c/CanadaSoccer
- Toronto FC
💻 Schools / Universities
- BC | UBC (U of British Columbia)
- BC | SFU (Simon Fraser U)
- BC | VIU (Vancouver Island U)
- BC | TWU (Trinity Western U)
- ON | UofT (U of Toronto)
- ON | UWO (U of Western Ontario)
- ON | UWaterloo (U of Waterloo)
- ON | UofG (U of Guelph)
- ON | OTU (Ontario Tech U)
- QC | McGill (McGill U)
Sorted by province, then by total full-time enrolment.
💵 Finance, Shopping, Sales
- Personal Finance Canada
- BAPCSalesCanada
- Canadian Investor
- Buy Canadian
- Quebec Finance
- Churning Canada
🗣️ Politics
- General:
- Federal Parties (alphabetical):
- By Province (alphabetical):
🍁 Social / Culture
- Ask a Canadian
- Bières Québec
- Canada Francais
- First Nations
- First Nations Languages
- Indigenous
- Inuit
- Logiciels libres au Québec
Rules
- Keep the original title when submitting an article. You can put your own commentary in the body of the post or in the comment section.
Reminder that the rules for lemmy.ca also apply here. See the sidebar on the homepage: lemmy.ca
founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
Tesla is tearing itself apart all on its own. We can just watch and not implicate ourselves.
Well, besides the moral obligations to stop fascism right now, at least reconsider whether such unsafe vehicles should be allowed on the roads. Them lobbying against it should not work anymore.
Seize the property and transfer it to Canada National Electric Vehicle Company. Then convert the facilities to build High Speed Rail instead of clunky individualist electric vehicles. Finally, build a rail artery all the way from Vancover to Quebec and bill yourself as a low-cost high-speed transit route that bypasses the United States.
Quebec
Halifax.
Build it and they will come. You don't build a bridge based on how many people are swimming across the river.
Let's start small. Have the federal government remove the twitter/x link for contacting the federal government on the federal government website.
Canada is all but officially at war with the States, it's time to think about what are acts of treason. Muskrat acts with more authority than even the VP.
Canada is all but officially at war with the States
Let me know when there's a single casualty. Otherwise, maybe don't trivialize war as an economic pissing contest.
Cold war possibly?
This is literally Canadian Bacon. It was funny then but its a circus now.
The USSR wasn't spread in a thin paste over the top of its adversary.
You don't have to do that. Remove tariffs on Chinese EVs, and the market will ruin Tesla on its own.
Yeah, unfortunately we're investing tens of billions into EV manufacturing. Another major investment from Siemens was announced just this morning. If we drop those very justified tariffs, we won't have an EV industry in Canada anymore. As long as the Chinese government is heavily subsidizing BYD research and production, tariffs are appropriate to balance the playing field. Otherwise our nacent industry will get smothered in the crib.
Wow, no kidding, we have 100% tarrifs on chinese EV and 25% chinese aluminium.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-china-electric-vehicles-1.7486204
If it comes to it, Canadians might have to seek alliance with China, and that's something neither americans nor canadians really want.
Yea let’s not do what we always do by switching from one bad thing to the thing we know is worse because “change” while better solutions exist. China also threatens sovereignty, supplies Russia, and even works with North Korea. They have even worse labour issues than the US does, though oddly they seem to do alright with trans rights. The concentration camps for Uyghurs does offset that last bit, though.
I wish we had more brains than “frying pan hot, must jump into fire”.
switching from one bad thing to the thing we know is worse
How is an EV worse because of its nation of origin?
China also threatens sovereignty, supplies Russia, and even works with North Korea.
China is in no way impugning on Canadian sovereignty. They're doing business with Russia just like every single other Asiatic Nation, from South Korea to India to Turkyie - none of which are undergoing comparable sanctions.
Which is particularly galling, given that South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol used "Secret North Korean election interference" as his excuse to launch a coup on Parliament just a couple of months ago.
China also has detained Canadian citizens several times in the past and it has been major issues trying to get them back here. That alone probably isn’t enough to warrant such extreme sanctions, but their disregard for many human rights is a problem we all face unless we’re shitty, selfish, nationalist assholes at which point that opinion ceases to hold much weight.
South Korea showed us that when someone in power tries to do a crazy thing the country as a wholw will actually do something to stop them. Yoon Suk Yeol was impeached and that whole thing is still ongoing, with the court to rule on that on Friday so I’m not sure why you think that’s a gotcha.
China also has detained Canadian citizens
In Beijing, while operating as intelligence assets to the detriment of the country.
Kovrig was considered an intelligence asset, as a diplomatic officer at the Global Security Reporting Program (GSRP) within the Canadian embassy in Beijing, and later when based in Hong Kong at International Crisis Group, according to a 2023 report
This appears to be in direct response to the Canadian arrest and prosecution of Huawei's chief financial officer, Meng Wanzhou, who was visiting Canada on business and was arrested with intent to extradite her to the US. That arrest was in pursuit of a US sanction against Iran, another country whose people were chronically subjected to infiltratation, sabotage, and assassination by Western security and paramilitary forces.
What this had to do with Canadian Sovereignty is not clear. Are Canadian spies arrested on Chinese soil in reprisal for the seizure and extradition of a Chinese businesswoman a threat to Canadian Independence? Because it seems to be the absolute opposite.
South Korea showed us that when someone in power tries to do a crazy thing the country as a wholw will actually do something to stop them
The South of Korea has been under occupation by American military and intelligence services since the 1950s. This particular president's coup attempt threatened the interests of American State officials, so the Korean military friendly with the US allowed the coup to fail. But the parliament has done little to curb a future Yoon or Park administration from returning to power in the next election cycle, under a far more coup-favorable Trump State Department.
The problem is we probably need one of them? Their economies are massive and America's by far the biggest. Unless we want our economy to shrink. Like it or not they are the two biggest fish in the pond.
So we strengthen our connections with Europe, then, and ourselves. Yes, it will be harder than just flip-flopping between two bad options but that is literally the point I’m trying to make.
Look at our current setup: The Conservatives are garbage and the only good things the Liberals seem to do are things that the coalition with the NDP forced them to do. The NDP, however, is treated like they’re a non-starter option because they have fewer seats even though they got more than half of the Liberal or Conservative votes even with strategic voting being a thing. The Bloc got more seats while having slightly more than half the NDP votes.
We just keep bouncing between terrible options like stupid little reactionaries because it feels easier than doing anything that will genuinely help us.
better yet, lets rebuild any factories to produce parts and vehicles for a nationalised electric vehicle company, to produce entry level electric vehicles so people can actually afford these fucking things.
Manufacturing is not coming back to the west. Capitalism will always seek for cheaper labor and more lax environmental regulations. We have outsourced manufacturing and pollution to developing countries while charging as much as possible to their customers.
This is why when people discuss this subject, and use terms like "we need to", a big part of me knows it's just that they "want to". A huge chunk of what we feel is necessity is, at best, "comfort subsidies" for our cushy lifestyles (and lest I be accused of tone deafness, I mean cushy in comparison to those in the developing countries you mentioned. "Less polluted and oppressed for the comfort of others" cushy). While it's true that too much change too soon means lots of people starve, I don't really think we actually know what we need.
How about we don't waste all of that money and resources and invest in mass public nation wide transit instead.
whos to say this facility couldnt produce components for that system as well?
to produce entry level electric vehicles so people can actually afford these fucking things.
The problem is that supporting car infrastructure always results in a loss for society. Building more roads for cars, wider roads for cars (i.e. more lanes), more parking for cars... is such a drain on funding that you never catch up.
If you live in a municipality that doesn't have enough money for basic services, it's because of the money needed to support car infrastructure. Sounds crazy, but it's true.
As a country, we should de-prioritize cars as a means of transportation, but also as an industry that we rely too heavily on.
If Canadian manufacturing could diversify into other areas of transportation (i.e. affordable, Made in Canada e-bikes and e-cargo bikes) or putting our manufacturing efforts into building trains and public transportation vehicles... we would strengthen our economy while helping people, and it wouldn't be at a loss!
i agree to an extent, but we cant pretend that the wide space between cities, and rural towns doesnt exist. nor our very cold weather. making ebikes essentially useless for long distance commuters who already have to drive 30 minutes to 1.5 hours one way going 100km per hour. now imagine doing that same trip on an ebike in the middle of january where you can only go 35km to 50km max. this also neglects people with disabilities who otherwise are fine using their own vehicle when they have bo access to public transportation.
we simply do not have the infrastructure in this century. maybe some day. i hope. if we dont blow ourselves up first and stop electing people whos idea of progress is cutting programs that build a greener future.
by all means though, get an ebike if its feasible for you in your life style. just dont assume its the answer to everyone elses, we havent reached utopia level tech and production levels yet, lol.
The problem is our cities. I know everyone says look at what x European country does. But our cities are far to spread out and densely populated to even compare fairly. We need to stop the endless spread and start infilling our cities.
For sure, we need to work on that. But most people aren't travelling across their province, or even between cities on a regular basis.
They drive their cars around their community. Down the street to the grocery store. Up the road to visit a friend. They might work within 5km of their home and take a large SUV.
That's the reason we have massive parking lots taking up ungodly amount of space, or on street parking instead of bike lanes, or noise and air pollutions near residential areas.
Those personal choices can be modified today, even with whatever infrastructure is present.
And most people don't realize that if we weren't spending so much money on car infrastructure, we'd have more than enough to put towards other forms of transportation - at a benefit to society, which also reduces costs in other areas like healthcare.
load more comments
(15 replies)
load more comments
(26 replies)
view more: next ›