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Here's their promise to never use forced labour for their cocoa.

There's also the Tony's open chain: a pledge by many companies (not just eu, also us) to use only ethically sourced cocoa. The companies are: here

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[โ€“] Lasagna@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I was under the impression that Tonyโ€™s is working towards a chocolate industry without child labor and forced labor. But the issue is quite complex and theyโ€™re not there yet.

Not saying theyโ€™re bad. It seems that theyโ€™re doing what they can and according to their website they โ€œlead by exampleโ€. But Iโ€™m not sure if they make any promises about a 100% child labor / forced labor free supply chain at this moment.

The above could be outdated, maybe theyโ€™ve achieved their objectives for their own supply chain already. But I canโ€™t find it on their website atm.

[โ€“] Bldck@beehaw.org 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Previously they claimed no slave labor for many years.

They audited their supply chain every year, but eventually found that no matter the claims of their suppliers and auditors, they were finding instances of child labor.

So theyโ€™ve updated their stance and are actively working to change the industry

Hereโ€™s an article from 2022 covering the issue

[โ€“] Lasagna@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Appreciate the insight, thanks!

[โ€“] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I think it used to say "as little slavery as possible" or something like that but I don't see that written out anymore, just implied.

From the inside of one I just opened:

Also

lead by example

https://www.consumerreports.org/health/food-safety/lead-and-cadmium-in-dark-chocolate-a8480295550/

mfw

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[โ€“] adj16@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Did you also learn this information from John Oliver like me?

[โ€“] Lasagna@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No I think they were pretty open about it themselves. Donโ€™t watch John Oliver tbh ๐Ÿ˜….

[โ€“] SatanClaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

He does a great job but it's all USA focused content

[โ€“] bluelander@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I love Tony's, but they're also reportedly higher in lead content than other brands.

https://www.consumerreports.org/health/food-safety/lead-and-cadmium-in-dark-chocolate-a8480295550/

Valrhona is a solid non-American brand pick from the list of safer chocolate and they're B-Corp certified. I believe their parents company is French.

When it comes to chocolate you're often forced to pick your poison, so to speak.

[โ€“] Tetragrade@leminal.space 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is for dark chocolate only, and the article has them listed as one of the lowest lead brands. Crazy that they're all so high though, WTF!

[โ€“] bluelander@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A fair point! Didn't even occur to me since I only bother with the dark stuff lol

They're the lowest listed of the "high lead content" category. So kind of the best of the worst for it, I suppose.

[โ€“] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

TIL chocolate can have lead...jfc

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[โ€“] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

I love Tonyโ€™s, but theyโ€™re also reportedly higher in lead content than other brands.

Yes, that is because cocoa plants absorb heavy metals from the soil. Tony probably has a higher lead content because they simply use more cocoa. That's something you can also see if you compare dark chocolate with milk chocolate - dark chocolate will have more lead because more cocoa is used.

The amount of lead is also not a biggie - you'd have to eat such an insane amount of chocolate that you'd die of the sugar intake WAY earlier than from the lead exposure.

1: It's thought to be contamination from the manufacturing and shipping process, as far as I know.

2: There is no safe level of lead intake, and it's not about lethal dosage. The numbers used are California's extra-paranoid metrics however. That doesn't make them wrong, just be aware that you're being poisoned in so many other ways as well you might as well have some chocolate now and again, it probably won't be the thing that gives you Alzheimer's. But it might! You'll never know! Or remember...

3: Tony's is still better because all the others are just as bad but with slavery.

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[โ€“] piyuv@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Lead and cadmium come from cocoa plants. Tonyโ€™s might have more because it has a higher cocoa percentage

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[โ€“] TTH4P@lemm.ee 27 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Also it's pretty good. I didn't know I liked milk chocolate, because Hershey's is disgusting. Tony's is objectively a better tasting product.

[โ€“] Decq@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Well there's your problem, in the Netherlands (and other places) Hershey milk 'chocolate' isn't legally chocolate. It needs at least 35% cacao to be called chocolate. It would be called 'Cacao fantasy' here instead. So no wonder you think it's shit chocolate, cause it isn't chocolate to begin with

[โ€“] TTH4P@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

For sure, that's why it tastes like vomit.

[โ€“] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Hershey's chocolate has butyric acid, which is also found in vomit. The acid is allegedly a byproduct, but it helps stabilize the chocolate and prevent it from melting. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hersheys-chocolate-tastes-like-vomit_l_60479e5fc5b6af8f98bec0cd

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[โ€“] M137@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That's like saying "I didn't know I liked olives because faeces from people who have eaten olives is disgusting". Hershey's is widely hated for a reason, it shouldn't be legal to sell.

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[โ€“] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I didn't know I liked milk chocolate, because Hershey's is disgusting.

Hershey's is someone LARPing chocolate making. It's pure disgusting. How people have been eating it for so long is beyond me.

[โ€“] TTH4P@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Some of us grew up thinking that was chocolate. Have pity, rather than disdain.

[โ€“] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The lies your government have fed you since you were a child are hard to forget. But join us, in the real chocolate world, my child, and we will embrace you with open arms.

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[โ€“] MTK@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fucking woke BS, ChIlD sLaVeRy. Let the childern work, we need Chocolate!

/s

[โ€“] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the children YEARN for the nestle mines, we NEED that chocolate

[โ€“] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

mines

Everyone knows chocolate is hunted! /s

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[โ€“] Kualdir@feddit.nl 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

FYI: Check if whatever brand you like also works with Tony's for their supply chain. For example Jumbo (NL supermarket) sources their chocolate from Tony's and there's quite a lot more partners.

[โ€“] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Kualdir@feddit.nl 6 points 1 month ago

Great find! I wasn't able to find it before. Time to check it out

[โ€“] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the tip!

[โ€“] durfenstein@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Aside from the activism stuff, Tonys just tastes how good chocolate should taste.

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[โ€“] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (11 children)

As an American: you guys eat American chocolate?

[โ€“] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I mean there is also a big difference between American brands in the US and the EU. Last time I went to the US, I brought back snickers, Twix, and KitKats. Then I bought the EU alternative and set up a double blinded taste test with my friends.

Without fail we all immediately were able to tell them apart. The American version was chalky and tasted like pure sugar. The EU version, albeit also nowhere near Tony quality and still very sweet, was much higher quality and you could taste the individual components of the candy. It was not just a sweet punch in the face.

[โ€“] cocolowlander@feddit.nl 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I worked in a Nabisco factory a decade ago in the US making Oreo.

They've consistently looked for cost cutting measures to reduce the amount of cocoa powder (expensive input) put into the product. What happened when I was there was they would look for a new vendor that would offer stronger cocoa flavor profile per kg and then use that as a justification to cut the amount of cocoa powder in the product. To mask it they would amp up the sweetness.

In a blind test, a normal people can't tell the difference year to year, but if you compare it to what it was ten years ago, there would be a noticeable difference.

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[โ€“] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm not american or european, but yeah. They don't ship here (nor any other ethical alternatives) so sadly i'm stuck with stuff like pepsico and nestle. I try to abstain as much as possible.

You guys eat american chocolate

Why not? It tastes fine. My main problem is how they use forced labor to source the cocoa; which in this case chocolonely is the exception. Even european companies (like nestle) still suffer the same issues.

Though i'm biased since as i said, we mainly only have pepsico and nestle so i don't know how "proper" chocolate in your guys's opinion tastes.

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[โ€“] kora@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I love Tony's as much as the next guy. However, be aware that a test conducted in 2022 found high levels of lead in Chocolonely Dark Chocolate variant.

Consistent, long-term exposure to even small amounts of heavy metals can lead to a variety of health problems. The danger is greatest for pregnant people and young children because the metals can cause developmental problems, affect brain development, and lead to lower IQ, says Tunde Akinleye, the CR food safety researcher who led this testing project.

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[โ€“] h6pw5@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Everyone should watch John Oliverโ€™s Chocolate episode (as much as is preferred not to link YouTube). Tonyโ€™s is discussed, and it seems more ethical than most. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwHMDjc7qJ8

Edit: updated comment to better reflect coverage.

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[โ€“] TheImpressiveX@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

I discovered Tony's Chocoloney a few months ago, and I really love it. I can get it at my local supermarket as well. Great to see them on here!

[โ€“] Wooki@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago

I go out of ny way to buy this chocolate (outside EU) as its simply divine compared to American chocolate.

[โ€“] bartvbl@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (6 children)

For Norway: you can buy these at Normal. Much cheaper than getting them shipped.

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[โ€“] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)
[โ€“] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

big nestle, they got angered by that "without child slavery" part ๐Ÿ˜ค

[โ€“] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

I didn't downvote but I will add a note to Tony's.

First of all: I applaud their mission and every company in the world should be working without slavery of any kind.

Because Tony's is so open about their sourcing and making a big deal about being 100% slave free, they are an easy target for organizations checking their claims. There have been a couple of moments in time where Tony's has been challenged, the most recent one being 2021, where they have been removed from the list of ethical chocolate companies by the American company Slave Free Chocolate, because they collaborated with Barry Callebaut.

Now, to expand on 'collaboration', here: Tony's buys their cocoa very transparently, from farmers who do not employ children, paid or otherwise. Then, to process this cocoa they need an efficient factory and they use one in Antwerp, Belgium. This factory also processes the cocoa from Barry Callebaut.

Tony's doesn't really care, of course, about being taken off the list by this company. They know they are ethical enough by their own measure, which is still leagues ahead of most.

Source in Dutch.

The point here being that one might read one headline or the other, refuse to go into any depth and form their opinion. Now any time they read Tony's all they remember is 'they are not as holy as they make themselves out to be'. Hence they'll just downvote this any time they glance over it.

Or it might be Big Chocolate, idk.

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[โ€“] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I hate that my choices are Expensive, Evil, or Doesn't Taste Good when it comes to so many products.

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[โ€“] haroldfinch@feddit.nl 5 points 4 weeks ago

I'd love to have some Tony's Chocolonely. Unfortunately, I have such a severe gluten intolerance that their cross contaminated factory produces Russian Roulette bars for me.

Even though most of their bars don't actually contain gluten based ingredients, the fact they use one big production facility that sprinkles gluten all over the place for shits and giggles ensures I will never be able to safely consume their products.

I'll stick to G'woon chocolate. They at least produce their non-glutened bars in a safe environment.

(And yes I've tried Tony's bars in the past, always resulting in issues because of it.)

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