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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

Or just fix public transit for fucks sake. Evs are a distraction from the problemm

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

101% this. Driving my mates and I yesterday on a completely packed 4 lane highway. 90% of cars were a single driver, no pasangers.

Even if we exclude tradie vans and utes who ill assume are at least transporting tools and gear, if every one of those vehicles carried 1 other person or chose to bike instead ( Christchurch, New Zealeand, we have good biking infrastructure also a bike path that follows the length of the highway) or even take the bus (public transport is pretty good) we would see an instant 50% reduction in traffic over night.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 weeks ago

The world needs to tariff ALL elon companies and move away from American products/offerings in general. We need something to replace AWS in the worst way. The world needs to remember the corporations foreign and domestic that helped faciliate this and freeze them out because if they do it here in the US they WILL do it in your countries too. Toyota helped fund 1/6 for example. I will never buy a toyota because of it and elons companies will never get any patronage from me either.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

Yes, more Chinese infrastructure, that phones home and can be turned off remotely, with a switch, is definitely what the West need.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 weeks ago (20 children)

and thats any worse than US tech because?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

Haha yeah sure, unlike Tesla that has already remotely locked (and unlocked!) vehicles at their whim.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I welcome my new Chinese overlords...they at least give you healthcare.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago (19 children)

I have a better alternative: invest in viable alternatives to driving! expand protected bike lanes, build the damn high speed rail, more trains, trams and bus lines. One more asphalt lane for cars wont solve traffic problems :)

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Why just a tariff? Just ban all Tesla vehicle imports and all sales of new Tesla vehicles. For owners of existing vehicles they should be offered a generous buyback and equally generous loan terms for a new or used car. That would encourage most Tesla owners to trade-in their vehicles.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

And what would the government do with the buyback vehicles?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Please please please...BYD is making super cheap Tesla killers. I'd love to get my hands on one.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

now canada needs to invest in proper public transportation, so in the future people wouldn't need to buy a car just for day to day life.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (5 children)

Bad idea. China isn't better than the US, and their EVs are a safety and security risk in and of themselves.

I can imagine Canada being in a position to collaborate with friendly countries to develop a safe, secure and open alternative to Tesla and "CCP-mobiles". If that becomes a reality, everyone benefits.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I dont think anyone is advocating for lowering auto safety standards to allow Chinese EVs on roads. Lets be realistic in acknowledging that Chinese made vehicles are already in use in many parts of the world and provide comparable security and privacy standards as their American counterparts (viz. None).

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Good, the tariffs that is.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

How about japanese ones? :P Better invest on our own infrastructure, we need Canadian EVs!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

"Open the door to Chinese EVs" isn't a simple solution because it has wider reaches than restricting Tesla-imports. There's a reason Germany just effected tariffs on chinese EVs, namely because they are arguing that as china subsidizes their EVs, naturally non-subsidized local companies could never be price-competitive.

I don't know how that situation is in canada, but I bet similar things have to be looked at.

I like the solution, but it's not a simple one.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

i would find amusing if countries retaliate US tariffs by singling out Musk and Trump companies

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I dont think there is a single privacy friendly EV on the market.

If a Canadian company could build and export an EV that wasn't loaded with invasive sensors and where the data recording and uploading was opt-in (or non existent), loads of US Americans and Europeans would import them from Canada.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I think you can expand that to all cars, not just EVs.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago

I AM MANIFESTING THIS PLEASE πŸ™

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago (24 children)

As much as I hate Elon, this is a terrible idea. Cheap Chinese trash mobiles built by Uyghur slave labor are not the answer.

How about we build cars in Canada instead?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

Except they aren't trash, they're better than Teslas that's for sure.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago (17 children)

They are still data hungry, surveillance machines that are allways online and gps tracked. We need cars without that kinda shit built in.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago

There has been talks about forcing Chinese cars to come over disconnected. Every new car is a surveillance machine. The western brands will not be asked to disconnect anything and it will probably be illegal to do so yourself, so Chinese cars might be an actual win in that regard.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago

American car company secretly send your driving data to your insurance company so they can squeeze more out from you for any minor reason they see fit. There's no reason canada insurance company won't do that. Scared about chinese car collecting your data is kinda missed the point, you should have stronger data protection instead.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago

exactly like their US counterparts though

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago (12 children)

Is china the only other country that makes EVs?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago

Right? Why the focus on Chinese EVs? Do no European EVs exist? No Japanese EVs? Why not just open the doors for all EVs, regardless of what country it's from, and then customers can make informed decisions on which EV to get based on whatever criteria they wish? Get the competition going!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

We dont need chinese ev to wreck US car industry. We need toyota and their hilux truck brand. We could build a toyota electric car manufacture around quebec's battery shop and a toyota hilux around alberta.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

That would be like replacing evil with another evil. CCP are not angels.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (12 children)

But they sell cheap EVs, aren't threatening to invade, and Musk's Swasticars can't compete. It's just economic pragmatism.

Use the Chinese EVs while building up local infrastructure. If Canada wants native production it won't happen overnight, but if it doesn't make a deliberate and significant push for it it's simply never going to happen at all and you'll always be importing from, and therefore dependent on, someone.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

That feels like "robbing Peter to pay Paul". We don't want to be dependent on either nationalist autocracy.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

I think Europe or Canada should make EVs, and Greenland being given incentives to tap into their minerals to feed the materials necessary for the project. Greenland gets closer to independence, and whoever makes the cars gets to piss on Musk. Win-win, no need for the risk of CCP becoming too influential within democratic governments.

...While trade is a good thing, I think that maintaining at least a moderate level of manufacturing industry and sciences within your nation or cultural sphere to be very important. Just in case things get weird, like how 2025 has been.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Someone's doing the happy hunny dance....

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The benefit of a tarrif on Tesla vs opening the market to China is that we can easily undo it if there is a US coup, Trump gets medicated, gets burned, whatever. There's still the potential that this is a temporary situation, not the new reality. If we open up to a third party, we can't put the genie back in the bottle.

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