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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by qaz@lemmy.world to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk
 

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There might be some changes that could improve it further:

  • ~~Remove Brave~~
  • ~~Maybe add Signal; It's easier than Element, but it's also centralized~~
  • Stop suggesting Linux Mint specifically
  • Recommend Hosted Nextcloud
  • ~~Add GrapheneOS~~
  • Maybe add Delta chat
  • ~~Maybe remove Bluesky~~
  • ~~Remove Stremio and add Jellfyin (even though it's selfhosted and not a direct equivalent)~~
  • ~~Add ente because Immich is selfhosted~~
  • ~~Add aurora~~
  • ~~Add SearxNG~~
  • Add SimpleX
  • Add lichess
  • Add pCloud

Any other suggestions?

Temporary improved version:

From To Compromise
X, Threads Mastodon Bluesky
Instagram Pixelfed
YouTube PeerTube ReVanced (just blocks adds)
Reddit Lemmy
Netlix, Disney+ ๐Ÿ”จ Jellyfin
Google Meet, Zoom Jitsi Meet
Google Docs Etherpad
Google Search ๐Ÿ”จ SearxNG Kagi, Ecosia
Google Drive Nextcloud pCloud, filen, Proton Drive
Google Photos, iCloud Immich Ente
Google Chrome Librewolf, Firefox Ungoogled-chromium
All messaging apps Element (matrix) Signal
Google Home, Amazon Alexa Home Assistant
Play Store F-droid, Aurora
Google Android, iOS LineageOS, GrapheneOS
Windows, MacOS Linux Mint

๐Ÿ”จ = Self-Hosted only (requires running a server)

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[โ€“] Roopappy@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I recently moved Gmail, Google Docs and Sheets, Google Keep (tasks) and Drive to Mailbox.org. It's super affordable and works really well. You can edit docs/sheets online or offline. No self-hosting required. I recommend it. It's located in Germany.

[โ€“] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Seriously add Signal, seconding your bullet point. It hits a great sweet spot of privacy and convenience for convincing people who are hesitant about new apps.

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[โ€“] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I feel like there would be value in having a "self hosted" column or tag. Like I think jellyfin should be on this list but if I went to switch from a streaming service to a self hosted jellyfin I'd be immediately upset that this list isn't offering alternatives that are "ready to play" so to speak.

Just a friction point deterrence.

[โ€“] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

Maybe add Signal; Itโ€™s easier than Element, but itโ€™s also centralized

signal runs on amazon servers. Anything that can't self host and isn't federate isn't worth it. Matrix (and element) fill this requirement. But IMHO, the best is XMPP where you can self-host or use federated servers located in other countries.

Maybe add Delta chat

Delta chat is basically email.

Remove Stremio

Why? Because it's torrents?

Other alternatives would be viaplay or britbox. Unfortunately there's no legal alternative that's available in all europe.

Add aurora

Aurora is just a front-end for google playstore. You should add f-droid

[โ€“] qaz@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

signal runs on amazon servers. Anything that can't self host and isn't federate isn't worth it. Matrix (and element) fill this requirement. But IMHO, the best is XMPP where you can self-host or use federated servers located in other countries.

Why would you prefer XMPP? Last time I checked most features (like E2EE) weren't part of the base protocol.

Delta chat is basically email.

It supports mail, but also has an encrypted normal chat backend AFAIK

Why? Because it's torrents?

Yes, it's not really a good alternative since it's illegal. I'm not judging but it's not a good option for most people.

Aurora is just a front-end for google playstore. You should add f-droid

Droid-ify is F-droid

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[โ€“] DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

instead of matrix id say SimpleX-chat it uses tor a lot more

[โ€“] Comtief@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My problem with Jellyfin is that I'd need something like Google Chromecast for it. AFAIK all those dongles are American. Raspberry pi doesn't cut it unfortunately.

[โ€“] a_cuddly_fox@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

That's one problem I have come across. Roku, Apple, Google, Amazon. They make great streaming devices but they'll all track you. The best answer I have is a PC attached to your TV.

[โ€“] ThePantser@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Home assistant is the gold standard for home automation now, they are light-years ahead of anything from the big tech. Billions of dollars and they can't even make a usable home automation service.

[โ€“] Marty_Man_X@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I get the desire to post "simple" answers like this. And while some of the recommends do make sense... I believe the lists should be better researched. A few other comments also pointed out some of the issues already.

I've noticed with a lot of these lists that worse/unreasonable/less private/less secure/not even European or FOSS are being recommended as alternatives and I think they do more harm than good for people that might need genuine help making this process more simple. They also tend to miss a lot of excellent alternatives.

For what it's worth, these lists oversimplify and can't take into account individual needs, so own research is always necessary IMO.

For me, it's paramount that the software we use is secure and privacy respecting / transparent. A great resource for good recommendations is: privacyguides.org .

[โ€“] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

I like how it starts with getting off Twitter and trying out Lemmy and ends with switching to Linux.

[โ€“] jamie_oliver@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

So as someone who recently went from MacOS to Linux (at least partially) Mint is terrible for macOS users. It is like going back to windows. I get it is the easiest for Windows users but maybe add a row for Macos to Fedora or something (but maybe it is too complicated, I just know most mac users would scoff at Mint's interface).

[โ€“] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Actually a solid point, we should suggest a flavor of Linux that prefers Gnome for Mac users. It's the closest default to their workflow afaik

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[โ€“] Tungsten5@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This is the pic that made me join

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[โ€“] RandomVideos@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago

Why are brave, lineage os and youtube revanced there, but not aurora store

[โ€“] raymondpeterfellow@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Linux Mint is the simplest Linux distro if you come from Windows, unless there are others that recommendation is pretty much accurate.

Anyone else who uses other distros on a daily basis will simply skip that recommendation.

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[โ€“] azalty@jlai.lu 2 points 8 months ago

Element is owned by a company and likes to collect a shit load of data... i'll never understand people that vouch for matrix

[โ€“] SleafordMod@feddit.uk 1 points 9 months ago

The phrase about freedom and convenience in the OP image reminds me of what France's foreign minister recently said about Europe's relationship with the USA:

We are faced with a choice that is imposed on us, between effort and freedom, or comfort and servitude

[โ€“] papayas@feddit.uk 1 points 9 months ago

So that includes Firefox- their privacy rules have recently changed. We need a Europe based Europe made ideally non profit so canโ€™t be sold to US browser and search engine. Chromium based or Firefox forks donโ€™t count because they can claim some ownership or take data. We want full quarantine separation, itโ€™s like a disease

[โ€“] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe add ~~Delta chat~~ SimpleX (and Signal of course)

[โ€“] raymondpeterfellow@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Curious why you struck Delta chat.

[โ€“] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago

It has no forward secrecy and cryptographic deniability, and is thus much less secure than Signal (or other messengers that implement the Signal protocol) or SimpleX

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