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There might be some changes that could improve it further:

  • ~~Remove Brave~~
  • ~~Maybe add Signal; It's easier than Element, but it's also centralized~~
  • Stop suggesting Linux Mint specifically
  • Recommend Hosted Nextcloud
  • ~~Add GrapheneOS~~
  • Maybe add Delta chat
  • ~~Maybe remove Bluesky~~
  • ~~Remove Stremio and add Jellfyin (even though it's selfhosted and not a direct equivalent)~~
  • ~~Add ente because Immich is selfhosted~~
  • ~~Add aurora~~
  • ~~Add SearxNG~~
  • Add SimpleX
  • Add lichess
  • Add pCloud

Any other suggestions?

Temporary improved version:

From To Compromise
X, Threads Mastodon Bluesky
Instagram Pixelfed
YouTube PeerTube ReVanced (just blocks adds)
Reddit Lemmy
Netlix, Disney+ ๐Ÿ”จ Jellyfin
Google Meet, Zoom Jitsi Meet
Google Docs Etherpad
Google Search ๐Ÿ”จ SearxNG Kagi, Ecosia
Google Drive Nextcloud pCloud, filen, Proton Drive
Google Photos, iCloud Immich Ente
Google Chrome Librewolf, Firefox Ungoogled-chromium
All messaging apps Element (matrix) Signal
Google Home, Amazon Alexa Home Assistant
Play Store F-droid, Aurora
Google Android, iOS LineageOS, GrapheneOS
Windows, MacOS Linux Mint

๐Ÿ”จ = Self-Hosted only (requires running a server)

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Seriously add Signal, seconding your bullet point. It hits a great sweet spot of privacy and convenience for convincing people who are hesitant about new apps.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is the pic that made me join

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Nice, if you have any questions about Lemmy feel free to ask

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

you love to hear it

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I feel like there would be value in having a "self hosted" column or tag. Like I think jellyfin should be on this list but if I went to switch from a streaming service to a self hosted jellyfin I'd be immediately upset that this list isn't offering alternatives that are "ready to play" so to speak.

Just a friction point deterrence.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I want to see Koofr up there among the clouds.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My problem with Jellyfin is that I'd need something like Google Chromecast for it. AFAIK all those dongles are American. Raspberry pi doesn't cut it unfortunately.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

That's one problem I have come across. Roku, Apple, Google, Amazon. They make great streaming devices but they'll all track you. The best answer I have is a PC attached to your TV.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Home assistant is the gold standard for home automation now, they are light-years ahead of anything from the big tech. Billions of dollars and they can't even make a usable home automation service.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lineage OS doesn't support Bootloader Re-locking (well tbf that's a manufacturer issue) and Verified Boot, so its a huge security issue. Like, if you want to avoid google and have security, Graphene OS is the only real option for a phone, which ironically, is only available on a Google Phone ๐Ÿ™ƒ

Netflix... ---> thepiratebay[DOT]org (replace [DOT] with a dot) ๐Ÿดโ€โ˜ ๏ธ๐Ÿ˜‰ (might need a VPN since some countries block it, and you wouldn't want to torrent without a VPN anyways)

And Briar for messaging (Android Only). It's all Peer-to-Peer, and doesn't go through ANY central servers, maximum independence. And censorship resistant because of default Tor usage, and also local Bluetooth synching for like mass protests, in case your government also gets a bit... fascist... and shut down the internet.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I get the desire to post "simple" answers like this. And while some of the recommends do make sense... I believe the lists should be better researched. A few other comments also pointed out some of the issues already.

I've noticed with a lot of these lists that worse/unreasonable/less private/less secure/not even European or FOSS are being recommended as alternatives and I think they do more harm than good for people that might need genuine help making this process more simple. They also tend to miss a lot of excellent alternatives.

For what it's worth, these lists oversimplify and can't take into account individual needs, so own research is always necessary IMO.

For me, it's paramount that the software we use is secure and privacy respecting / transparent. A great resource for good recommendations is: privacyguides.org .

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Linux Mint is the simplest Linux distro if you come from Windows, unless there are others that recommendation is pretty much accurate.

Anyone else who uses other distros on a daily basis will simply skip that recommendation.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Nobara is a really solid distro for gamers. It's packaged with a lot of stuff to streamline the setup.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Why are brave, lineage os and youtube revanced there, but not aurora store

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Element is owned by a company and likes to collect a shit load of data... i'll never understand people that vouch for matrix

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (13 children)

Maybe add Signal; Itโ€™s easier than Element, but itโ€™s also centralized

signal runs on amazon servers. Anything that can't self host and isn't federate isn't worth it. Matrix (and element) fill this requirement. But IMHO, the best is XMPP where you can self-host or use federated servers located in other countries.

Maybe add Delta chat

Delta chat is basically email.

Remove Stremio

Why? Because it's torrents?

Other alternatives would be viaplay or britbox. Unfortunately there's no legal alternative that's available in all europe.

Add aurora

Aurora is just a front-end for google playstore. You should add f-droid

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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

So that includes Firefox- their privacy rules have recently changed. We need a Europe based Europe made ideally non profit so canโ€™t be sold to US browser and search engine. Chromium based or Firefox forks donโ€™t count because they can claim some ownership or take data. We want full quarantine separation, itโ€™s like a disease

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I like how it starts with getting off Twitter and trying out Lemmy and ends with switching to Linux.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What's the alternative for gmail / Google calendar etc.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I use Nextcloud as a similar way as Google Drive or Google Photos. But it's self-hosted and not for the mass.

I would recommend a mail service for drive. Most are quite stingy with storage. Mailbox.org or Infomaniak.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

pCloud and pCloud pass to replace Dropbox and 1Password respectivelyโ€ฆ They also offer a lifetime paymeny option, less subscriptions!

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

The phrase about freedom and convenience in the OP image reminds me of what France's foreign minister recently said about Europe's relationship with the USA:

We are faced with a choice that is imposed on us, between effort and freedom, or comfort and servitude

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe add ~~Delta chat~~ SimpleX (and Signal of course)

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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

signal is a good option for messaging. it is technically american, but i feel like FOSS projects should generally get a pass.

also, as an american who is very not okay with what our (russia's) government (puppet) is doing, wouldn't supporting non-american businesses mean paying the tariffs and supporting the oligarchs? i'm not really sure what us yanks can do besides just trying not to spend ANY money.

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