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There might be some changes that could improve it further:

  • ~~Remove Brave~~
  • ~~Maybe add Signal; It's easier than Element, but it's also centralized~~
  • Stop suggesting Linux Mint specifically
  • Recommend Hosted Nextcloud
  • ~~Add GrapheneOS~~
  • Maybe add Delta chat
  • ~~Maybe remove Bluesky~~
  • ~~Remove Stremio and add Jellfyin (even though it's selfhosted and not a direct equivalent)~~
  • ~~Add ente because Immich is selfhosted~~
  • ~~Add aurora~~
  • ~~Add SearxNG~~
  • Add SimpleX
  • Add lichess
  • Add pCloud

Any other suggestions?

Temporary improved version:

From To Compromise
X, Threads Mastodon Bluesky
Instagram Pixelfed
YouTube PeerTube ReVanced (just blocks adds)
Reddit Lemmy
Netlix, Disney+ ๐Ÿ”จ Jellyfin
Google Meet, Zoom Jitsi Meet
Google Docs Etherpad
Google Search ๐Ÿ”จ SearxNG Kagi, Ecosia
Google Drive Nextcloud pCloud, filen, Proton Drive
Google Photos, iCloud Immich Ente
Google Chrome Librewolf, Firefox Ungoogled-chromium
All messaging apps Element (matrix) Signal
Google Home, Amazon Alexa Home Assistant
Play Store F-droid, Aurora
Google Android, iOS LineageOS, GrapheneOS
Windows, MacOS Linux Mint

๐Ÿ”จ = Self-Hosted only (requires running a server)

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[โ€“] [email protected] 40 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Lots of these are still American, and Bluesky isnt any-less of a walled garden, they just haven't reached enshitification-critical-mass yet.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, the list does not fit this community

Headquarters Seattle, Washington, United States

[โ€“] [email protected] 28 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

OP, quite a few of these are still American, some open source, some not. It's more like a generic list of alternatives to mainstream.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

When it's FOSS it doesn't matter so much where they're based, fortunately

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

BlueSky and Brave for sure aren't FOSS.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 26 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Revanced is just a cracked YouTube app isn't it?

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago

It goes beyond just cracking, with support for features like SponsorBlock and Return YouTube Dislike, but essentially yes. It's not a meaningful YouTube "alternative", just a tweaked version of same.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes it is, if you want something different there is Newpipe, Tubular (with sponsor block and returndislike) , or Freetube. Probably others as well.

None of these let you login, if that is something you need.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 19 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Lichess instead of chess(dot)com.

Thanks to another post in this community I found out about and it is great.

  • Open source
  • No ads
  • unlimited puzzels from real games
  • No constant message to buy premium
  • All the finances are public

You can donate to the project, if you have the means and enjoy the app please do.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago

Threema is a swiss based messenger which e2e encryption.

[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago

Ecosia is a German web search engine based on Bing and Google's index.
Qwant is a French web search engine based on Bing but which has been working on its own index for a while.
I just found out that Ecosia and Qwant started teaming up last year to build a European search index. I hope something will come out of it. https://blog.ecosia.org/eusp/

PeerTub is developped by French non-profit Framasoft, which also develops multiple de-gooling apps: collaborative docs, forms, agenda, or host other open-source collaboration tools. https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/

[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

Brave ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 4 weeks ago

Reminder: Stremio can use Torrents. Be aware of your local laws before enabling Torrent addons.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Bluesky absolutely belongs in the left column.

It's not Transparent, Decentralized or Open Source.

It is a centralized social media network exactly like Twitter. The only 'open' part is a protocol that lets you interact with their, private, service.

The fact that it is 'open source' is largely a red herring, if Bluesky decides to no longer support their protocol then it is worthless. It cannot simply be forked and remain useful.

Bluesky is simply engaging in a PR campaign to steal customers from Twitter. It is exactly the same as Twitter in all of the ways that matter. It can be purchased by Musk or manipulated by the existing owner in the same way as Twitter.

Making a Bluesky account is simply trusting a new corporation to not act like a corporation in the future... which is a pretty naive position.


Ecosia is not open source, or decentralized. It is a private search engine based in Germany that provides search results from the major search engines and sells advertisements via Yahoo and Microsoft ad networks. These ad networks are part of Surveillance Capitalism and earn their money primarily by spying on you, collating your data and selling it/using it to place ads.


Stremio is largely a piece of software used to funnel people into paying for monthly for pirate streaming services. It's not getting rid of Netflix or Disney+, it's giving you the option of paying Russian or North Korean supported cybergangs instead of Netflix for access to streaming content.

The real open source alternative is Jellyfin. Then using qBittorrent along with Sonarr and Radarr to self-host your own media server.


The other suggestions are mostly okay with minor gripes.

  • They could add GrapheneOS as an Android alternative.
  • Linux Mint is not a bad option but 'What Linux Distro should we recommend to new people' is a contentious topic in the community, Mint is fine but there are other options (EndeavourOS is Arch Linux installed with the Calamares graphical installer and some sane options for a desktop PC, btw)
  • While Signal isn't 'open source'. It is, for the moment, a secure option that doesn't require a lot of user knowledge to setup. It is a vastly superior choice than using social media for messaging without requiring a lot of technical knowledge on the user's part.
[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

It is exactly the same as Twitter in all of the ways that matter.

I think the fucking Nazi at the head matters.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago

While this list is itself could use a major rework, I'm happy to see that this list, originally posted on reddit specifically, gives visibility to lemmy as a reddit alternative.

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

Suggesting linux mint specifically is good. Linux is overwhelming to new users, don't give them choice paralysis too.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

I completely agree! I switched to Linux Mint yesterday, and please donโ€™t give me a bunch of alternatives before even deciding to try out Linux ๐Ÿคฃ Took me much longer to take the leap BECAUSE of all those alternatives.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

lolโ€ฆ Braveโ€ฆ Come on man.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Yeah, I was gonna sayโ€ฆ Recommending Brave isnโ€™t a great look right now. Especially right in the wake of the Brave CEO going off on that unhinged ultra conservative rant.

And Firefox recently had its own controversy, with the removal of their โ€œwe promise never to sell your infoโ€ section of their ToS. When questioned, they basically responded with โ€œwell some jurisdictions define โ€œsellโ€ as โ€œexchanging for moneyโ€โ€ฆ We donโ€™t agree with that. But because some jurisdictions do define it that way, we need to remove that section. All we want to do is exchange your info for money. But again, we donโ€™t think that should be considered selling your info.โ€

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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I saw a different one recently on Reddit:

More alternatives.

By this user.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago
[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Self hosted software shouldnt be on the list. Self hosted software is its own glorious list which can be used by the technically inclined. The average user is not going to run a server at home, nor should they without knowing what they are doing.

And why is revanced here? Thats just youtube with removed ads. Thats not moving away from youtube, its youtube with extra steps. Its going to hurt but we will have to move away from youtube, not just squint and pretend we did.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Omg, Stremio without VPN is the worst advise ever. This graphic could do get innocent pirates fined and then they'll just think there was no alternative!!

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago

Fucking brave shows it's ugly head again. The only thing worse than a browser owned by a greedy corpo is a browser that is owned by two greedy corpos, one of which is mostly a crypto scam corpo.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Where is my beloved son f-droid?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I would add SimpleX, Session, Threema, and Signal. Telegram sucks, and while I love the stickers, it sucks. As the other person said, Stremio is torrenting, which puts your IP address on as billboard. Donโ€™t do it without a VPN or running it through Tor or I2P. I would add every Proton/Tuta product as an alternative to one of the 3000 Google products, like Gmail and Drive. However, I will ALWAYS recommend privacyguides.org ;3

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Can you cram the reason Telegram sucks into a few sentences?

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
  • No encryption by default (you have to start a secret chat to have end-to-end encrypted communication).
  • No encryption for group chats and there is no option for secret group chats.
  • They store all your chat history on their server and have the keys to decrypt it at any time.
  • They have a pretty shitty support, if you need to report a bug or something, you can't easily do that.
  • They have a broken testing process for new features, may be pushed to streamline without making sure those work properly. I don't use it as my main communication app but even with rare occasions - the app crashes way too often.
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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

if you know its a faulty picture, why didnt you edit it?

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

Add SearxNG as a search engine option.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Nextcloud is not the same as Google Drive. Element is not the same as Netflix. Recommending bluesky as a replacement for X is at least misleading, it is neither European nor free nor is it anywhere near better than X.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago

Where does the Element Netflix comparison came from?

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Any good euro alternatives for adobe suite?

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

GIMP for Photoshop, Darktable or RawTherapee for Lightroom, Inkscape for Illustrator. For Premiere I was about to suggest DaVinci Resolve but it's Australian, not European / FOSS.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

Australia is in Eurovision, does that not count? :D

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

kdenlive is a foss video editor.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

You may want to clarify which parts you want to replace. As a whole suite, there isnt anything I am aware of, but each individual part usually has one or more open source alternatives

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago
[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I recently moved Gmail, Google Docs and Sheets, Google Keep (tasks) and Drive to Mailbox.org. It's super affordable and works really well. You can edit docs/sheets online or offline. No self-hosting required. I recommend it. It's located in Germany.

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