Not having an address is a huge hurdle to get a job. There should be laws against it or else it just creates a downward cycle.
this post was submitted on 20 Feb 2025
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Absolutely agree with you, but, unpopular opinion probably, I also don't want a lazy ass who can't or doesn't want to get a job to be homeless. Like, I don't care how much of an asshole you are and how many drugs you take and that you don't care to hold a job, I still want you to have shelter, food, and basic necessities. Let alone kids of these people.
Remember how in the 90s "The Dude" Big Lebowski, the laziest man in Los Angeles County, was still able to afford his rent. That wasn't even considered unrealistic back then either, like a few mid-20 year olds could afford a loft in Manhatten off a coffeeshop salary (FRIENDS) the only complaint of realism was their loft was too big.
That purple apartment was rent controlled because officially Monica's Nana was still living in it and the janitor knew and used this as leverage to make Joey dance with him so that he could impress a girl. Iirc...
I mean that's not the point but I just wanted to add this. You're of course correct that times have changed dramatically.
In my country it is illegal too. A place of residency is required to get bank accounts and jobs. But we also have some sort of vanity addresses which the social net provides to those without a home. These address are used to receive correspondence and allows homeless people to be official citizens of a town.
Imagine what happens to foster kids who age out. Imagine applying for jobs at 17, knowing that you’ll need to support yourself, and then trying to figure out whether putting down the group home as your “permanent address” is a smart idea or not. (About a third of girls who age out end up pregnant quickly, another third will end up in sex work.)
Something like half of homeless people were in the foster care system. The foster care system in the United States is disgusting - group home positions are poorly paid and unpleasant, which incentivizes the wrong kind of people to want to work in them. “Troubled teens” are vulnerable to all kinds of extra abuse - look up what was happening with cops and kids at the Tulsa juvie last year.
These are people who have never been loved. People who were put through the meat grinder of the human soul that is DHS care, were thrown out on the street and told to figure it out.
When I wrote my statement, I wasn't even thinking about foster care kids.
Horrifying.
Thank you for the information.
There’s a reason why the US refused to ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.
Seeing the way DHS and foster works has been a “black pill” for me. There’s a wider attitude that children are the property of their parents in their states (see the endless conversations about “parent rights” - eg, denying children education and medical care). Children whose parents have rejected them are basically dumped into a lost and found, have no value, have no voice.
I’ve talked to social workers where they had to place kids in homeless shelters because there were no available beds. Kids sleep in DHS offices. DHS can’t be assed to make sure kids’ shit gets from place to place - I’ve bought multiple children clothes because they went inpatient with basically nothing.
If you are in the position to do so. Go buy a tent and give it to a homeless without one.
Do not give tents directly to people in Fremont, near San Francisco. Give them to the charitable organizations, or you may face fines and arrest. The Fremont City Council has decided that homeless people aren't people, don't deserve help, and it is a crime to try to help them with any camping supplies.
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/fremont-homeless-ban-controversy-20163355.php
I dropped my tent. No idea what happened to it. Maybe it was stolen. I won't be pressing charges.
Or do it anyway while knowing the risks, and publicize any consequences you face as much as possible. Civil disobedience is highly effective.
Tents are super cheap these days. Chances are if they wanted a tent they could scrounge up enough cash in a day for one. Probably should just give them the cash.
The police keep taking their tents and ripping them up.
Not an American here, why do they do that? Do they not get some kind of backlash from people or smth?
People consider the homeless a public nuisance and ask for the police to remove them.
Basically, there are lot of areas that are technically owned by someone but not really maintained. Little patches of land near gas stations, etc. Or public places like parks or under underpasses. Slowly, you get tent cities that pop up and will be tolerated for a few months, until people start calling the police.
The police are supposed to warn people beforehand to clear out - we all know how much American cops respect procedure and humans rights of course. But after that warning is given, they’ll come through and trash everything. Identification documents, medications, personal photos - they don’t give a shit if they’re tossing out someone’s insulin. The ID being tossed can be especially devastating - if you lose all of you ID documents - how do you prove who you are to get new ones? This is a problem social workers/advocates deal with all the fucking time.
Not an American either, but cops do the same in France.
Most of the homeless people who live in tents are immigrants. The government is full of authoritarian racists, and the cops are violent racist bastards who have order to move these people out of the sight of the good citizens. There are videos of cops tearing down tents with cutters and spraying repellent on belongings and mattresses.
Why is there so little reaction? Because most people think it's a good idea to protect the real estate market where they live. And even when people mobilize (yellow jackets, retirements, Palestine..), they get nothing but police violence.
I'm Canadian, and backlash from who? The homeless people they're brutalising?
The homeless have created their own problem through their flaw in moral character. They will be saved if they return to the fold and accept our god into their lives. Otherwise the punishment from the police will force them off the path to eternal damnation. We do it for their own good.
I know its sarcasm. But I didn't understand one bit of what you just said, mate.
Probably for the better. It's a genuine sentiment in the united states. Homelessness isn't caused by circumstance. It's caused by sin. You deserve to be punished or will be cleased of your sin.
The other predominent philosophy is more capitalistic. Ignore the person entiry. I got mine, you get yours.
That's fucked up.
That's how those in power look at it. Being homeless is a personal flaw that only the homeless are responsible for. Also helping other people in need is wrong. Says the corporations and enough people in power to make everything suck.
If you're in a cold area, most tents are just 3 seasons, so not suitable for winter. Ice fishing tents and the like are better options when it's really cold out.
Better than nothing, though.