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Electric Vehicles are a key part of our tomorrow and how we get there. If we can get all the fossil fuel vehicles off our roads, out of our seas and out of our skies, we'll have a much better environment. This community is where we discuss the various different vehicles and news stories regarding electric transportation.
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I've been waiting for 3 things: An income that can afford a new car, EVs with 500+km of range (I make regular trips through regions with poor charging infrastructure, and experience winter), and for my current ICE car to kick the bucket.
The first two have come to pass. Just waiting on that last one.
More like 5% if plug-in hybrids count as "gas car". 95% satisfaction is still great though.
I've been daily driving EVs for over eight years. I wouldn't go back either, as long as I can charge it at home anyways. And I pay my own mortgage, so hopefully that remains the case.
Hell I've even taken my EV to race tracks. Charging in between runs is a hassle, sure, but the serenity on the track from no engine or exhaust noise removes a lot of anxiety, and I get to enjoy the sounds of all the other fun ICE cars that much more
I'm on both sides of this. Had an EV for nearly 4 years and had to go back to gas for work (construction, moving/having tools, materials and supplies).
I cannot wait for an affordable small ev pickup. Even a not that affordable one. I just can't do $100k for an oversized monster like the Lightning. But give me a $60k Ranger/Frontier style (basically the smallest truck they make these days, without a full SUV on the front) and 500km range and I'm in.
I hate getting gas. I hate it so much.
People always forget that when you leave home with an EV, you always have a full "tank".
All you need is a house and a garage and room to keep your evs in there and an ev with a range big enough to handle all your travel needs or you'll still gave to own a 2nd vehicle that uses gas and then if you want to keep your ev past 100k miles just be sure to keep an extra $20,000 lying around for when the battery needs replaced.
But yeah, you can always leave home with a full tank. Of course, filling it to 100% also degrades the batteries faster. But don't worry. Your warranty will kick in once you lose about 1/3 of capacity. Sure ducks if your 300 mile range vehicle (when the weather is right) can only go 220 miles, but that isn't quite bad enough for warranty coverage.
You seem salty and misinformed. Ever own an EV?
I own a hybrid. Between knowing batteries, electronics, evs and vehicles, I'm more informed and knowledgeable than most people on here. EVs are only great if you own a garaged house, want to take large losses on resale, and keep newer vehicles. A lot of people do fit in that category, but for everyone else they're still a poor idea for now. They're fine if you only keep vehicles under a warranty and trade them in. They aren't a "thrifty" option.
Lol a self declared expert huh? Bows to your greatness
I never had a garage, I sold for 80% what I paid 3 years later, and I usually go with 4-5 year old, under 50k km private sale vehicles outside of the EV(because it's a newer market). I was pretty giddy to buy my first new vehicle. Might have been my last, depending on my funds when an electric truck that meets my needs hits the market.
Thanks for sharing your opinion though. Takes all types.
Well I've been paid for working on all of the above, so I guess that makes me a self declared proffesional, sport.
Cool story bro! Tell me about how great gas stoves are next.
EVs have fewer moving parts and require less maintenance than old fashioned ICE vehicles.
They also lose value much faster and repairs outside of warranty are much more expensive.
Plus again, you almost have to have a house and garage to keep one. Not to mention the cost of the charge station set up in your garage (usually around $1,200).
Then you also have how much quicker tires wear out. Replacing $800 tires every 30,000 miles is a lot more expensive than $600 tires every 50,000 miles.
I almost wrote out a point by point debunking of this non-sence but I feel like now I'm just attacking you and that's not fair.
Anyone reading. Please do some research, this guy should have.
Why is a garage needed?
Few people want to get wired and lug/have out a heavy duty 30 amp extension cord running out into their driveway to plug in their car.
Beyond that, during the winter months, having a completely cold soaked ev battery when it's like 10 degrees Fahrenheit outside MASSIVELY cuts down on your range, while having to leave your car outside 24/7 during the summer causes your battery to degrade faster, so you want it left parked in the shade.
I hope my mother goes back because I'm tired of her having trouble reaching her destination every time she wants to visit our family... At the moment she's considering leaving the car there for the rest of winter and coming back by bus because she doesn't know if she'll be able to make it! She barely managed to make it across the 250km no man's land in the middle of the trip and the whole thing took her 8h instead of 4.5h like it usually would.
This sounds like a highly unusual situation for someone with an EV. Given the circumstances I'd also be switching back or at least renting a car depending on the frequency of that trip. I've personally never had range anxiety but I understand it can still depend a lot on the specifics of your vehicle and where you live.
I don't think it's that unusual when you live in places where there's actual winters...
She used to own a Leaf and would rent a gas car for the trip but in the end she would end up spending more than she saved on gas by owning an EV (renting a car gets expensive when driving long distances!)
Maybe this trip will be the one where she realizes she needs an EV with way more range (which she can't afford because they're fucking expensive)...
WHAT KIND OF FREAKING CAR DOES SHE HAVE.
With that kind of reaction do you really think I will feel like sharing?
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18 people have asked, its a reasonable question. its relevant, pertinent, and why the fuck did you share such a shitty story if you dont feel like making up something as mundane and insignificant as type of car. Theres only 85,000 models of car on market. You got what u wanted, atention. I apologize for wondering about what would probably be an extrehely simple matter for you to include such commonly requested information in either your iffy story, or as followup. To answer your question, why the fuck you wanna know? I didn't ask if you felt like sharing, lol. I asked for information, not your contrived "reaction" to my simple request for information. I guess in hindsight I was hoping you would reply all snarkey and sassy, leaving me in dark. Again, I apologize gor being interested in upur story and hoping you had sincere information to offer. Are dick pics a reaction? can I see your reaction, my esteemed story telling guy?
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its all good
i still like your story
your cool
18? 🤔 Where do you see 18 people asking for that?
Just learn to ask questions in a way that doesn't make you look like an asshole and maybe you'll get better results... Just like the other people that asked and that I replied to.
hinot sure why you feel the need to be condescending and holier than thou
but thanks for the advice
I was talking to someone I know well about this, she was in an EV and went back to petrol. Two factors, range anxiety and the EV was "soulless"
Everyone i know who had actually owned an EV has realized that range anxiety is largely a myth.
Yep, if you buy one that's realistic for your lifestyle a few weeks in something pops and you wonder why people were making such a big deal out of it.
That's the same kind of thing people say about vinyl records vs CDs, digital video vs film, 48+ vs 24fps.
All I hear with that kind of complaint is: "It's too good, I'm not used to it. I want what I'm used to, even if it's worse."
Vinyl is actually higher fidelity than CDs though. That's not subjective, it's scientifically verifiable.
It's not. The benefits are all hypothetical. In practical demonstrations, records have dramatically less dynamic range and more distortion. It's not even a contest.
CDs have a digital sampling rate of 44.1 KHz. Vinyl is a continuous waveform as an analog medium, but if you were to digitize it, the equivalent sampling rate would be at 96 KHz or higher.
CDs have a digital sampling rate of 44.1 KHz
That's because humans can't hear frequencies above ~20 kHz. If humans could hear the difference, the sampling rate would be higher.
Vinyl I find is a much more holistic experience than makes listening to music easier for my ADD.
It becomes a process where I can feel the record, read the liner notes, enjoy the album art, and since it's not easy to just skip a track or change to a different artist I find I'll actually listen to an entire album instead of just individual songs.
As for cars, I don't like a lot of modern regulations forced into vehicles. I really like small, simple machines with analog controls that are intuitive to use. Modern cars in general have grown in size that make them less pleasurable to drive. They also are rife with touchscreens and so many systems are so interwoven with software that it becomes a pain in the ass to modify them.
I don't want something that sings at me if I put a bag on the back seat but don't fasten a seat belt. I don't want something that alerts me that I'm speeding. I don't want an infotainment screen that controls my AC which makes it hard to upgrade my stereo. I don't want my car to have a cellular antenna. I don't want "software updates" that change how my car runs. I don't want an entire system locked behind DRM.
I want a car that looks good, not like current copy and pasted of each other's makes. CR-V? Rav-4? Rogue? They all look like similar piles of plastic.
Cars are something I actively enjoy fixing and working on. They are a hobby and a love. Modern vehicles are turning into iPhones where everything is decided and controlled by the manufacturer.
None of those things is forced by regulation.
You can also do all that album stuff with a CD album. That's what we all did back in the 90s - 2000s. Plus the CDs are a lot more durable than LPs. I still buy music on CD as my first preference but most new music isn't published that way anymore.
Typically I prefer my appliances soulless.
Not surprising that someone who calls a vehicle an "appliance" would say something like this.
For some people (myself included), driving is more than something you're required to do to get from point A to point B. Driving is an experience, something meant to be enjoyed.
I love the feeling of the car communicating with the road through the tires, suspension, and steering, and throughout my body. I like to feel like the vehicle and I are a single entity, and not just something to be driven, something I'm fighting to control. Which is why I prefer small, sporty, nimble roadsters with firm, communicative suspension, and hydraulic rack and pinion steering. Not a giant boat of a crossover that handles like I'm floating on a cloud, with electric steering that vaguely goes in the direction I point the wheel.
I drive not just because I have to, but also because I enjoy doing it. Not having the right car is detrimental to my enjoyment. I need a car with soul. (Just not a Kia Soul.)
I'm in your boat but I also care about the planet. I know that not doing everything for commuters today, will mean I will not be able to enjoy my mx5 na, 944 and similar in the future.
I think us petrolheads have a choice: make sure as much as possible is turned green or stop dreaming about true lightfooted joy on the road in the future. I'm thus very positive about electric cars because they are great for almost everyone and most fears are just not warranted. I want as many dinosaur burners as possible to be replaced as quickly as possible so 15 years down the road I can step in a Mercedes W123 or old Citroen DS and know where I am by the smell of it.
Just about everything I drive now is electric. The first gen Model S is okay in terms of communication, even though it weighs too much it is mechanical. It is too fast to be fun. The last gen BMW i3 is zippy and quite fun to drive but many assume they need 400km range on a daily basis and it's not that. If budget doesn't matter, I assume a first gen Tesla Roadster should effectively be fun if you retrofit the charger, it convinced many reporters in its day. The electric drivetrain really lends itself to feeling one with the machine.
We should have our voices heard. We want light communicative cars. But we should get as many as possible on the EV train if we want to enjoy our old toys in the future.
Oh don't worry, I'm completely on board with EVs. I'm just waiting for a proper sports convertible EV to go on sale for less than $30K. If that day never comes, I will eventually convert my 350Z Roadster to an EV and just drive it forever.
Obviously because they don't understand that trips over 4 hours take an extra 10 minutes which will cause any real man to melt!
/every EV thread on the internet
Technology connections (yt channel) recently had a video where he modded an electric shop heater to be powered from his EV charger.
He had a little mini-rant about how the current state of charging reflects how policymakers have absolutely no idea what day-to-day ownership of an EV is like, and think everyone is DC fast charging everyday.
My parents live next door to me. Between us we have three vehicles: My father's new-ish sedan, an old sedan that was my grandmother's and my pickup truck.
At this point I would gladly replace the old sedan with a Nissan Leaf or some other electric car, because it NEVER goes beyond 20 miles from the house, almost always on grocery runs. There are weeks it isn't driven at all. Honestly we could do without it entirely, I drive it mostly to spare my truck the mileage.
This is against my father's religion. Every single thing has been a FIGHT with him. "Let's get the gas powered hedge trimmer." "It's heavier, we'd have to keep buying gas and oil for it, and it'll only ever start and run three times maximum. We'd put it in the shed over winter, the carburetor will fill up with adamantium and it'll never run again." "Let's get the gas one. The men with the knives told me they'd hurt my mom if I bought electric tools." "You're 65 years old and your mother is currently in an urn at Bethesda cemetery. Look, this one runs on the same batteries as our hand drills."
"Let's get the gas powered chainsaw." "Let's get the gas powered string trimmer." "Let's get a gas powered lawn mower." Kicked, screamed, bitched, moaned, collapsed the USD twice, sheepishly admitted the electric ones work better and are easier to start, "LET'S GET A GAS LEAF BLOWER." We own five rakes, dad. "DO WE NEED ANY MORE?"
He wouldn't accept an electric car unless it charged from a solar panel on its roof from empty to full charge in a third of a femptosecond. The man who will go on long, angry rants about not wanting to ever go anywhere ever again because there's only one toilet on the planet he can stand to shit in will say 'What if I want to drive to Honolulu?"
Every cunt-missing navel-fucking thing with that man. He'd have a gas powered hair dryer if they made one.
Fwiw, they do make (natural) gas powered clothes driers.
My favorite is a propane powered fridge.
Not powered, funny as that would be
Propane is actually a very good refrigerant if you find a way to ignore the whole "if I get a little too warm I fucking explode" part of it
Used to chill soda cans by dumping a little liquid propane on them when we had tanks to vent at work, takes like 5 seconds direct contact to freeze a can
No, there are absolutely propane POWERED refrigerators. Propane goes in, the fridge burns the propane, some goddamn troll physics happen and the inside of the box gets cold. It's called the absorption cycle and they're commonly found installed in RVs.
I've attempted to understand how this works; it has something to do with boiling ammonia out of water and then re-dissolving it. It's a refrigeration cycle with no moving parts that runs on a sufficiently hot source of heat. Some also have electric heaters for when you have abundant electricity to save propane.
some goddamn troll physics happen and the inside of the box gets cold
Thank you for putting into words how I feel about the absorption refrigeration cycle.
Nature must think of it "wait no not like that."