Slopcoders are so egotistical main characters, believing they'll beat anyone with more coding experience.
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I wasn't impressed even before that. 14-year-olds can code, some of them. And some are skilled in some ways. But there's almost zero chance they have the situational awareness to lead serious projects. Just doesn't happen.
So they need to be part of a team, and if they are, OK that's cool, but don't forget to be a kid, too.
And they are stepping on Nintendo's toes, AND doing interviews, AND 100% have good enough opsec to not be tied to the project, AND receiving donations.
But they are a rich kid apparently so just gonna be some fines to pay...
If I did this I would go to jail for 70 years or some shit
See this is where I'm like. For $9,000, you could have just purchased a Switch and a legit copy of OOT. Heck, you could get a vintage N64, old cart, and a CRT TV for less. What is this kid doon??
Becoming famous and feeling cool for the first time in his short life. Whether that will br a fun memory in retrospect is yet to be seen.
You can grab it off minerva and play it in an emulator pretty easily, which is the second most authentic way to experience it in my opinion. The first is of course on original hardware. I'm not sure what the point of a slop PC port is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
The port is of the new remake, which can be run on an emulator, but is more demanding than a native port.
Spending people's money for clout.
Showing the capitalists that we can and will use their tools against them.
If you think calling AI users "creators" is bad, then let me remind you it was normalized the moment people called ~~Steve Jobs the creator of Apple computers and the iPhone~~ Edison the creator of anything at all. Edison was the first archetypical techbro, and Steve Jobs was the first modern techbro.
This has been going on for centuries. Scientists’ staff doing all the work of proving an idea. Same for physicians. Artists, also…a ton of people in their employ doing the actual art executing the artists’ ideas. The big name gets the glory while those under them hope to get noticed enough to go out on their own and repeat the process. These days it still happens, plus we have managers and CEO’s taking credit for the employees doing all the work of making something happen. Hell, I bet the guy that had the idea to build the Pyramids had hundreds of what constituted engineers and artisans of the day build the things and said “Look what I made!”
Very similar situation in science as well, most big name professors are actually managers of 20+ people groups and as far as I have seen, most ideas come from lower down the totem pole. Not saying that they don't contribute, it takes a lot of time and effort to get from a new idea/discovery to fully developed concept but nontheless the payoff is much more in the professors favor.
Speaking of, if you ever get to the Valley of the Kings in Egypt, make sure to check out the tombs of the craftsmen who actually built the tombs for the kings. They're just outside the Valley of the Kings, arguably just as beautiful, and mostly ignored by tourists.
In my opinion, there is an important difference, though: The software that people "create" with Claude, ChatGPT or whatever could have been created by most competent and skilled software developers, i.e. nothing ground breaking or world changing has been created by people using Claude or ChatGPT (at least not as far as I know, please correct me if I am wrong). However, this is different with regards to the iPhone or the light bulb, they were truly historic and world changing "creations".
As far as I am concerned, it doesn't really matter if you were the true "creator" of a certain product, software or invention, as long as you manage to sort of market the product and convince other people of the value of said product or invention (and as long it holds actual value to people).
Sire but where was all this before AI? I don't remember soaby PC ports and thebkne that where where slow. No its coming out within a week of title being released.
That's a slippery slope, not crediting the actual creators of a new thing. Making something famous and getting recognition for doing that is fine if that's what happened, but taking credit for the creation of something is a shitty thing to do if you took it from someone else. Its dishonest and should be discouraged
Some random 14yo kid has 9k dollars to spend on Claude code. Fuck my life.
Subscriptions cover vastly more than an equivalent amount of API cost. $9k is probably just a few months of the $200/mo sub
I didn't have $200/mo at that age either
By 15 I could earn $200/mo after school saying "you want fries with that?" into a microphone and running a cash register for a drive-thru, and that was at $3.35/hr minimum wage. In Florida minimum wage is $15/hr now, so $200/month is less than 2 4 hour after school or one 8 hour weekend shift a week, even after taxes.
The $9K figure, as I read the summary, is total spent by all contributors to the project, and if they manage to develop a full commercial quality port for under $100K they've beat what the industry players would spend on developer time for the same job by a wide margin.
By develop I think you mean stole someone else’s project for under $100k. They haven’t developed anything.
Okay
I don't code anymore (broke my brain in the 1990s) but I'm fascinated by the multi-pass magical process that serious AI coders go through to turn vibecode into something robust, secure and functional.
Maybe when the industry isn't run on petrol turbines, and depleting the water tables, I'll give it a go.
So the developer is Anthropic 🤷♂️ If I order some specific pizza, am I the cheff who made it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute
“The copyright belongs to no one” is a potential outcome.
the developer is Anthropic
More like the developers are the people whose code Anthropic stole
Rich kid uses parents' money to hire a company to port the game
hire a company to port the game
That traditionally implies actual humans.
Anthropic is basically a SaaS provider, in this case selling access to their code generation tool. Like many large SaaS-providers, it's deeply predatory, deceitful about the capabilities of their products, eager to sell promises it won't keep to executives who won't care in the hopes of locking them into using their mediocre platform and eventually charging enough to justify the insane amounts of debt they're taking on.
So really, it's more like the kid is using other people's money to pay for a tool they don't understand to do a job they've never worked in and gets hailed as a genius. They'll make a great executive some day.
i just called out another "developer" for saying they made a program, and then said they had claude code it for them and all they did was "test" it. not a fucking developer if you didn't write the fucking code. it's like saying i just came back from a trip to Hawaii and all you did was look at pictures of Hawaii from google image search on your phone
My profile picture was commissioned. I gave the artist instructions, and I paid for their time. I'm still not a fucking artist. I am happy about the picture but I am under no delusions that I made it.
Slopbros are the complete opposite. They feel like they made something because they prompted it into existence. It's sad, really. Everyone has the capacity to create things, yet people choose to outsource it to pattern completion models because thinking is too hard.
Thinking and experimenting how to best solve a problem is my favorite part about development. My proudest moments are from iterations on previous less-optimal solutions.
I once sat on a small team implementing a project start to finish. The initial work was really rushed, they wanted a functional MVP real fast, and in conjunction with that we got scope creep. What was initially planned to be a simple viewing application turned into us having to implement a data synchronisation system that would organise sync across hundreds of devices, various platforms, both in offices and several hundred metres underground, both on cellular and wifi.
It was a disaster. The initial sync priority system was hardcoded. I later revised it to automatically figure out the dependencies, and then a colleague optimised that algorithm.
My biggest triumph though was when trying to fix the size of each batch of data. Every so often some bit of data would be way too large and the system would shit itself. It was also woefully slow when someone sat on a 10 year old Samsung phone 800m underground. Production blockingly slow.
We came up with the idea to switch over to gRPC. Looking over the hastily thrown together API, I realised that they all did more or less the same thing. The data processing was different, but all the fetching worked the same way.
So I made it generic for real, and reduced 26 different APIs into ~6 lines of code.
We added a child-sized crank to the orphan crushing machine so they can help participate younger than ever!
The "developer" is claude the 14 yr old is just the stooge that paid 9000 dollars for it.
So he is not a developer at all, just a slopmachine prompt writer.
I'm a bit confused. Is this the OOT port Ship of Harkinian or a different port?
A new way to look at vibe coding to point out that it isn't coding.
It's hiring a company. In the year 2012, you could email someone with a request for something you want made, and if you have money they'll reply back over network the code you need.
AI companies just tightened that loop. You hired a company to write software for you. That doesn't make you a developer or a programmer.
I've worked with overseas coders since 2012 - Claude is much easier to communicate with, faster and more responsive.